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Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS Ver. 1305

slight base Vcore increase

So many BIOS Versions have been released by ASUS for the x99 Delux series. What you might experience with 1203 and 1305 is a slight increase of “base voltage” on the Vcore.

When i keep using my old offset values (0.24 V) for the Vcore i do get 1.3 V on that i7-5930K. Pre 1204/1305 i did get 1.28 V.  Thats an increase of 0.2 V just by updating the BIOS.

 

CPU seems to respond better to what you throw at it

What i did also notice is that the CPU does respond, let’s say, more accurately to the frequencies and voltage you put through. It feels more straight.

In the past i could clock the CPU to 4.6 GHz @ 1.3 V and were able to boot and use Windows. That’s no longer possible. I would have to add quite a lot more voltage ontop of it to get it going at these settings.

What did the board achive so far with 1305?

Currently (02. feb. 2015) i am at

 

CPU freq. RAM freq. Uncore freq. CPU Vcore RAM Vcore Uncore
4350 Mhz 3070 MHz 3584 MHz 1.32 V 1.35 V 1.2 V

 

I just started to play with it and will slightly decrease the Vcore. I am still using offset values. Go Offset!

 

cpu-z_5930k_asus_x99_1305

 

Old sad story – prime95

After all the trouble and questions we had regarding prime95 and Hasswell-E. I decided to run prime95 tests with the Kraken x60 at “silent” and at “custom” mode.  I noticed that Core 0 is behaving quite unimpressed – because the Worker 0 in prime95 stopped stressing the Core for unknown reason. Kraken x60 is a ready-to-use watercooling solution for noobs and lazy people. However as you can see in the bottom box in Kraken Cam, the temperature peaked at almost 90 °C (86 °C) with “silent” configuration.

 

kraken_cam_kraken_x60_asus_x99_1305
BUT: this was NOT a prime95 HEAT test. Keep that in mind. Just ordinary stress test.

 

So i started the prime95 test again due to unknown abstinence of Core 0 and the temperature peaked at 78 – 81  °C.  Fans are NOT at 65%, Kraken CAM is fooling us here.

 

 

LED of your Kraken Heatsink lit up 24/7?

If you want your LED flavoured Kraken/Watercooling Heatsink to not glow when the system is powered off, change the ErP Setting in the BIOS to “S4 + S5”.

I still use Kraken x60 standard Fans. I do want to change those since weeks, or months but never completed this task yet. Maybe you can recommend some.

 

GTX 770 and World of Tanks performance issues gone in 9.3?

In a previous post i was talking a bit of my problem with my EVGA GTX 770 and World of Tanks.

Today, after a couple of weeks of abstinence, when playing World of Tanks, which is now at version 9.3,  i do notice an enhancement with GTX 770 and World of Tanks but i can’t really tell why. Few days ago, NVIDIA released a new Driver Package especially for the new GTX 9 series. In World of Tanks 9.2 i could not notice any enhancements with this new driver. Today with World of Tanks 9.3 i noticed a great frame per second increase. Now you could say, the improvements have been made in  World of Tanks 9.3.

 

Hardware – no improvement after upgrading

I bought the EVGA GTX 770 like 2 or 3 months ago. These days i still had my i7-920 running at 2.66 GHz and some of the old DDR3 RAM at unreasonable frequency. Unfortunately i could not overclock these parts because of the OEM motherboard and BIOS they were mounted on. The idea of upgrading or purchasing a better board for this old components (sad but true, after 6 years these are OLD) was discarded. So i even took the hardware into account when dealing with the “World of Tanks” problem. On september 2nd i did a hardware overall refresh and could then tell: “Nope, its not a hardware problem”. The new i7-5930K and an Asus 2011-v3 board now rock the house. Just search for the CPU and you’ll find some more posts of it, even the overclocking journey.

 

Load – GTX 770 was not running at its full potential

Unlike in previous versions and drivers, my GPU now does hit the 100% load mark, which was not the case in the past and which was the actual problem. The GPU couldn’t perform to its limits, leaving the game running at 30-50 frame per second (FPS). EVGA has its own overclocking and monitoring tools like Precision X and OC Scanner, google for it or visit their website. To let you guys know what i mean here a screenshot: In the top left corner you can now see almost 80 (78) FPS at high resolution 1920 x 1080 and highest settings and 100% render level, which was between 30 and 50 before 9.3.

 

GTX 770 and World of Tanks 9.3 current framerate
GTX 770 and World of Tanks 9.3 current framerate 80 FPS (+- 10)

 

Framerate increased, what an improvement! But?

However i still do notice that the graphics cards load is bouncing sometimes. You could say this hapens because the area where the camera is pointing to requires less performance to get rendered. That would be true if the FPS is stable and take a guess – it’s not.

 

Who needs more than 30 or even 60 FPS at all?

80 FPS is a good rate i can live with for now. The main purpose of these is to make video capturing more comfortable and less eye bleeding when you watch the results. Recording today easily results in a 20-30 FPS drop, if you have no extra performance. If you run 2 graphics cards and limits the FPS to 60 you would’ve had an incredible amount of performance left for recording and other stuff. Now when i limit the FPS to 60, i have only the performance left that encloses or fills the gap between 60 FPS and 80 FPS.

 

GTX 770 and World of Tanks, save to get a 770 now?

Well, after spending thousands of €uros for new hardware and doing upgrades and updates i’m looking forward for future updates. Thank you Wargaming, it was about time.

The GTX 770 is not the best card on the market but its still a good one. With a bit of tweaking you can get her close to a GTX 780 or even a GTX 770 TI at their base settings and clocks.

If you plan to buy a GTX 770, i would say that its save now, when it comes to World of Tanks performance, but i can’t recommend it. The new line of NVIDIAs GTX 9 series made a big step forward in terms of power consumption AND performance. The GTX 770 will perform fine and sexy but you should be aware of that she delivers a higher electricity bill.

 

Two videos with pre World of Tanks 9.3 and pre NVIDIA 344 performance:

 

Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3

Update: 12. March 2015

This post becomes old, however, even when it may have been stupid to call prime95 a bad choice to test overclocks it somehow may have saved peoples wallet. In the beginning when x99 was thrown onto the market, things were very new and everyone had to get closer to the new design step by step, carefully. As you have to admit, there were many articles about mainboards that were catching fire, go up in smoke, or break in any other possible way. Things are getting more stable and people are making their  way through the jungle of architechture. Today i still would recommend people to be careful with prime95 but i would no longer discourage people from using it.

Update: 06. October 2014

Well i can not completely revise this.. when i started to think that prime95 doesn’t go well with Haswell-E i did run future tests with other tools like cinebench, sisoftware sandra, aida64 and had no problems even with lower voltages (1.28 V). Rendering videos, playing games and whatever you do with your computer also did work quite well. Today i tested with OCCT and it goes the same direction (1.35 V stable).  With prime95 i ended at 1.37 V or even 1.39 V . So prime95 still does require lot more voltage to run stable than for example OCCT does, so im not sure yet where this journey is gonna end. I can not recommend using prime95.

 

Hellow peeps. The long journey comes to an end now. [Due to Update on 06. October i have to  over-think this] I finally or accidently came to the “conclusion” that prime95 isn’t the right choice to test the Haswell-E processor series, like the i7-5930K to run any sort of stresstests.

In the end of the day this processor, the i7-5930K will be running at 4.5 Ghz  with everything else overclocked at reasonable temperatures and stable. Well, not prime95-stable but Aida64-Cinebench-and-SiSoftware-Sandra-stable. Prime is just no longer an option or relevant for 2011 and x99.

 

So this is going to be a big round-up confusing

The truth is, that i stumbled over a forum thread, while i was searching for wprime95, saying that prime95 doesn’t go well with Haswell-E. So, while it’s still saturday night/sunday in the very morning and i was about to leave the system for today as it is, i decided to repeat some steps on the Asus x99 Deluxe, i did in the past weeks. In the beginning of the OC-adventure, i started with prime95 only and later took SiSoftware Sandra into the boat.

 

Quick Overview of the System (or have a quick look at previous posts):

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste)
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

 

Replacing prime95

Now prime95 has been replaced by Aida64 and Cinebench, while SiSoftware Sandra stays in the club. Benchmarks and graphs are always nice, but i intentionally use the software to make sure components are working fine together in harmony.

It’s already a month now since x99 and friends have been thrown on the market. A lot of you guys were sure smarter than i am/was and already knew that prime95 is a bad idea – when it comes to Haswell-E. While the hole world already OC’ed their CPUs with success i will just stick to some pictures. After i decided to no longer use prime95, i  revoked / undid most of the changes i made there, to start from zero.

Quick overview:

CPU i7-5930K in GHz: Corsair LPX DDR4 in MHz: Asus x99 Deluxe Baseclock in MHz:
3,7 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 2166 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 100 @ base (BIOS 0505)
2800 @ 1.5 V or 1.35 V (XMP didn’t work and Memory was very unstable at higher frequencies – or let’s say, with prime95 it was)
4,1 @ 1,23 V (release BIOS to BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.35 V (release BIOS + BIOS 0701, XMP started to work with 0701) 100 (BIOS 0505 – 0701)
4,2 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0701 + BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.2 V (BIOS 0701 + 0801) 127,5 (BIOS 0801)
4,25 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,375 @ 1,265 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) + (BIOS 0904) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,427 @ 1,31 V (BIOS 0904) 3034 @ 1.35 V / 3416 MHz Cache (BIOS 0904) 126,5 (BIOS 0904)
4,462 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0904) 127,5 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3088 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0904) 128,7 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,35 V OCCT stable 128,7 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,37 – 1,39 V prime95 stable, requires extreme² cooling 128,7 (BIOS 0904)

Some values were tested on different BIOS versions, some were stable some were not, some or many of them don’t even show up here. The table doesn’t show all  combinations. In all cases you can say, that the newer setting also did run at least 1 BIOS version behind. For example 4.5 GHz was also tested on 0801 with Vcore from 1.27 to 1.390  and a lot of changes in voltages for other parts like Input Voltage or Agent Voltage or Cache Voltage or Changes in the DIGI Tab. But i do not recommend this especially because this happend in the prime95 period. In a previous post i said that XMP with BIOS 0701 was unstable. Thats not correct. This was also affected by prime95.

 

Intel i7-5930K now finally at 4.5 GHz with peacful 1.27 V vcore
Intel i7-5930K now finally at 4.5 GHz with peacful 1.27 V Vcore

 

To the edge 4.6 GHz but prime95

As i mentioned already in a previous post, i could easily clock that Haswell-E jewel to 4.6 GHz. Problem had been, that it just didn’t pass the prime95 tests and that i found myself increasing and increasing over and over again the Vcore. At this moment i was noticing something weird with prime95 the first time, but i didn’t know about that bad relationship between prime95 and Haswell before, so i kept using it. What in the end led to a super hot CPU and with a crying Kraken X60 with stock fans. I made a short clip to demonstrate the Kraken stock fans at 1000% load (yes, that extra zero was intended). [Video quick link].

CPU – i7-5930K DRAM – Corsair LPX 2800 DDR4 Cache Baseclock
4.5 GHz 3088 MHz 3860 MHz 128.7 MHz
1.276 V 1.35 V 1.2 V
1.29 V
On 30. Sept. 2014 (2 days after publishing this post) - got a bluescreen 0x3B occasionally  during SiSoftware Sandra Multicore Efficiency Test (this test did already run a few times with no error or bluescreen); will increase Vcore slightly from 1.276 to 1.29. This update doesn't show up in the BIOS screenshots below!!!

 

Now starting from zero with default settings and new crew

So starting from zero with some basic settings (CPU, DRAM, Cache and Baseclock will be set), and some of them are the result of the past few weeks. Initially will reset all voltage values and any performance related values to “Auto”  again and boot the system.

 

 

Corsairs LPX Vengeance DDR4 2800 MHz Memory Kit at 3088 MHz and a cache speed at 3861 MHz
Corsairs LPX Vengeance DDR4 2800 MHz Memory Kit at 3088 MHz and a cache speed at 3861 MHz

 

Not that surprising but defaults deliver

And find myself happy with it. Now where the Vcore is back to normal and due to the absence of prime95 the temperatures during stress tests are lovely ( the funny thing here is, they never were bad, just prime95 made appear everything worse ). And more important the Kraken X60 stock fans do not  have to go crazy anymore. Win-Win situation for me and the computer parts. Maybe i can get back to my Corsairs purple fans? When i run prime95 now with these settings, the system instantly goes down, but on the other hand i can normally use it. Can run any (non-prime95)benchmark, can render videos etc, can play any game … etc. somethign weird is burrowed in prime95.

 

Aida64 Benchmark

The Aida64 Report has been uploaded to let you guys and girls see some graphs. If that’s not enough, i would like you to visit the SiSoftware Sandra Result / Ranking Page. No graphs but benchmaaaarks. SiSoftware Link 2

 

Cinebench Results

 

cinebench3 cinebench2

 

Temperature peak during tests 69 °C

the temperatures are very good in my opinion and the Kraken fans aren’t even close to the speed they were running when i used prime95 in previous overclocking attempts and tests.

 

Temperature results after Cinebench and Aida64 test runs
Temperature results after Cinebench and Aida64 test runs

 

 

Since all changes i made in the BIOS during the overclocking-journey are no longer necessary, it remains pretty much basic. Just for you, the…

Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS settings, i currently, 28. September 2014, run my system with.

.. meanwhile will run another SiSoftware Sandra Overall Bench.

 

Asus x99 BIOS - Startscreen
Asus x99 BIOS – Startscreen

 

Asus x99 BIOS - Main Page
Asus x99 BIOS – Main Page

 

Asus x99 BIOS - AI Tweak Pages
Asus x99 BIOS – AI Tweak Pages – The Voltage update (1.29) doesn’t show up here.

 

Asus x99 BIOS - DIGI Pages
Asus x99 BIOS – DIGI Pages

 

Asus x99 - Internal CPU Power Management Page
Asus x99 BIOS – Internal CPU Power Management Page

 

Asus x99 BIOS - CPU Power Management Configuration
Asus x99 BIOS – CPU Power Management Configuration

 

 

 

Asus x99 BIOS update – 0904 released with updated microcode!

Asus just released the next BIOS version 0904! I’m currently at work right now and can’t do anything but i will definetly get into this soon. One thing you might want to point out is the updated microcode. Can’t wait, can’t wait…

If you didn’t read previous posts, get the hardware list here.

 

Screen of  Asus Support Website

Asus x99 BIOS Update
Screenshot: Asus x99 BIOS Update

 

 

Can’t wait to download, test, love, hate and condemn this 🙂 If you already could gather some experience, let me know in the comments! I can’t wait to see benchmark results after this update.

 

Time has come – Asus x99 BIOS Update

 

Intel Storage Repair after BIOS Update/FLash
Intel Storage Repair after BIOS Update/FLash
Update 27. September 2014 ,07:32 CEST:

Here we are, the new BIOS installed makes Intel Storage want to repair my raid1 on two Seagate Disks. However, that only means that the testing starts a bit later in the day.The reason for the obviously desynced disks remains unknown. Possible that after loading the new BIOS and first boot attempt one of the disks got touched by the system in non-raid mode.

 

Asus x99 Deluxe new  BIOS 0904
Asus x99 Deluxe new BIOS 0904

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Update 27/28. September 2014, 1:15 CEST:

Phew, this was a very unpleasent day. The new BIOS is running fine but i didn’t get a lot more out of it than before. As i mentiond already in another post i could achieve 4.5 GHz with the i7-5930K at BIOS version 0801, but its almost impossible to run it stable and cool at the same time. At least when it comes to prime95. If i don’t care about prime95 i could easily run the CPU at 4.6 GHz. However, currently i’m at

(If you didn’t read previous posts, get the hardware list here.)

Baseclock: 126.5 MHz

CPU clock: 4.427 GHz (Ratio 35), Vcore 1.31, Sys Agent V 1.2, CPU Input V 1.92, Cache V 1.2

Memory: 3034 MHz, DRAM V 1.35

NB:  3416 MHz

 

And even at these speeds i’m getting 0x00000101 or 0x00000124 bluescreens when running prime95 tests but it takes longer to make it happen and the temperatures are not peaking at 90 °C instantly, like they would at 4.5 GHz and 1.38 Vcore. It doesn’t feel anymore like the Vcore is the issue. I think i have to pay more attention to the other voltages. I already started to change some values and even the cache frequency. I also disabled some voltage features, which may drop voltages down when you actually are increasing them.

The most stable combination still is 4.375 GHz, 1.27/1.28 Vcore at 125 MHz Baseclock.

Today i also started to use Asus AISuite to get my first experience with it.

For now thats pretty much it. I will add some more comments and pictures tomorrow/later. I will upload some screens of the BIOS settings. Now i will play a game and chillout.

 

 

bahuett

 

at current settings (see above) during prime95 test
at current settings (see above) during prime95 test

 

In HW Monitor the VCORE equals the CPU Input Voltage. When i say Vcore in my post i refer to CPU core voltage or Vcore and since i installed Intel Management software HW Monitor shows less information and the power consumption is totally wrong.

SiSoftware Sandra Lite i7-5930K benchmark

Overclock with no bluescreen is no serious overclock

Now, 2 weeks after purchasing this new RIG i went a step forward and decided to consult SiSoftware Sandra Lite to get some more details and i7-5930K benchmark. After playing with it in the first 1-2 hours i got the 5th bluescreen during the overclocking evolution period, which may hopefully end today. I received my 5th bluescreen during SiSoftware Sandra tests/Benchmarks. You may have a look at the Hardware / Computer section for upcoming posts and updates.

 

Quick Overview of the System (or have a quick look at previous posts):

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste)
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

History settings

History settings (i will skip experiments that weren’t tested in longterm view, for example playing with Vcore for the CPU or when i switched back to basic settings when trying to figure things out/ bluescreens) from oldest -> to newest Setting(s):

 

CPU i7-5930K (including Turbo)in GHz: Corsair LPX DDR4 RAM in MHz: Asus x99 Deluxe Baseclock in MHz:
3,7 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 2166 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 100 @ base (BIOS 0505)
4,1 @ 1,23 V (release BIOS to BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.35 V (release BIOS + BIOS 0701, XMP Profiles values didn’t work) 100 (BIOS 0505 – 0701)
4,2 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0701 + BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.2 V (BIOS 0701 + 0801, XMP values started to work with 0801, 0701 was still unstable) 127,5 (BIOS 0801)
4,25 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0801) – current 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) – current 125 (BIOS 0801) – current
4,375 @ 1,265 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,425 + 4,5 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3088 @ 1.35 V 128,7 (BIOS 0904)

These current settings values (antepenultimate row) are valid until 26. September 2014 – for further information please read this post (most recent at this moment) or  this one. The penultimate row in the table are values tested after publishing this post. Final or most recent settings you can find in the most recent link above. Some values were tested on different BIOS versions, some were stable some were not. The table doesn’t show all these combinations. In all cases you can say, that the newer setting also did run at BIOS version 1 behind. For example 4.5 GHz was also tested on 0801.

 

The i7-5930K benchmark

Update 28. September 2014: Unfortunately i didn't write down the PW for SiSoftware Ranker. The links now point to the new account.

With a baseclock slightly decreased from 127.5 to 125 MHz and RAM voltage, now again, at 1.35 V – but this time with 3000 MHz clockspeed – i hope to get closer to a smooth running System. Check it out directly: SiSoftware Sandra Ranking Page of tatoismus.net >>

This one has a better overview: Another Ranking Page of SiSoftware

After these little changes were made, all tests did pass with no further problems. The screenshots show the rank from 15. Sept. to 16. Sept 2014. Ranked #123. (Just 8 hours later im ranked #326 🙂 they’re all cheating)

 

i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker
i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker

 

i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker
i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker

 

Cooling the i7-5930K

Additionally i installed a 120mm fan in the rear of the case just to get the warm air a little bit faster out. When i was facing 90 °C and more in the past at full load with the 127.5 baseclock setup, i now still reach 90 °C and more but it takes a tiny bit longer to get there 😉

Just to make sure: temperature was never the issue, i was always monitoring temps when i did any sort/kind of benchmarks. During benchmarks the CPU cores sure get to their limits but never on a timeperiod long enough cause any heatdamage or impact results or cause bluescreens. Well, i talk about SiSoftware Sandra. — Armed with prime95, things become different.

 

Sorry Sandra

Few words about Sandra SiSoftware. I hate it. Or lets say it was frustrating me in the beginning. Its okay for a wide range of tests, but i will never use it again i think, untill my computer produces another bluescreen.

 

Uploading the i7-5930K benchmark with a certain user name to SiSoftware Ranker
Uploading the i7-5930K benchmark with a certain user name to SiSoftware Ranker

 

I can haz user account?

You have to run it as admin. I mean you have to login as admin. “Run as Admin” isn’t enough. And then you can/are able connect to “Local Computer”. Don’t ask how you can upload results to their Ranking-Website using a specific username. I managed it but it hurts explaining it. In the end it is simple but i expect things do work different. You don’t register or create an account in a way you would expect. You simple put a name and email address and password in the fields and fires return key until a picked account name is being accepted. Not talking about the bad named and bad placed module “Top Results”. Who expects that you enter your account information in here? And why locate it in Benchmarks? And you should really not use their FAQ or you will find yourself smashing your head on the desk.

 

ram3000

 

Recognize my RAM correctly pls

By the way: SiSoftware Sandra doesn’t know that my RAM is running at 3000 MHz. It always says for whatever reason “2133 MHz”. You have to look at DRAM Frequency and multiply it by 2 “DDR = Double Data Rate”. Seems that Sandra is only reading some vendor model strings and thats it.

 

bahuett

Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS 0801 for Asus x99 Deluxe

Almost a week now since i purchased all the good new parts for my new computer. A few days now playing with overclocking (OC) parameters. Yesterday my computer froze two times and i had to start figuring things out again. You may know from my previous post, that i had to run the DDR4 RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX 2800 MHz at 1.35 V because i was experiencing issues and that the CPU i7-5930K was clocked at 4.1 GHz which was fine so far. The root cause for the system hangs is unknown yet. Could’ve been either CPU or RAM. The baseclock hadn’t been touched since today in the morning.

 

Sorry guys, i’m not going to show you lots of graphs of games and benchmarks.
But i can offer a link to SiSoftware Sandra results.
Little update 26. September: 4.5 GHz achieved. Video clip soon. Scroll down for more information.

 

Well, the first things i tend to do was adjusting DRAM voltage and set CPU back to its basic settings. That worked so far with little throwbacks – if i remember correctly – but even than that i decided to check Asus webpage for new BIOSes for the Asus x99 Deluxe and there it is.

X99-DELUXE BIOS 0801 

 

Seen, downloaded, installed.

And suddenly the XMP profiles did work pretty well with my DDR4 RAM. But there was a downside. The baseclock got raised to 127.5 MHz and the CPU received a slight voltage bonus and runs at 1.250 V now. (In the following picture the CPU runs at 4.2 GHz which was not the fact today in the morning).

 

CPU-Z: i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 1.25 V and 127.5 baseclock
CPU-Z: i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 1.25 V and 127.5 baseclock

 

That’s what was happening last night till today morning. I also made the first steps towards temperature enhancements. But failed. I set the CPU voltage to 1.110 V and hoped it would be enough to run the CPU smoothly and be able too cool it down. Negative Houston. Not stable enough for prime95. The overclock-process continues. When i came home from work today in the night (now) i proceeded the work on this. I configured the XMP profile and made no changes to the CPU voltage but i added 1 step to the ratio, means 4.2 GHz for the CPU.

Remember i donated a watercooling system to my computer. The Kraken X60. The Corsair fans i installed in place of the Kraken fans are not made to handle so much heat – it seems. The temperature hits the 92 ° C  mark. Not good at all.

 

i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 90 ° C
i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 90 ° C

 

There is at this moment no way i can enhance the cooling yet if i want to stick to my purple fans. Two fans are covering the radiator and if i would go quadro-fan i had to buy a new case or install the radiator in the fron which in turn would mean good-bye 3.5″ inch harddrives.

I started prime95 right before i started to write this post and it did accompany the hole time. The result now is, that the CPU and RAM seem to work stable but the temperature is really an issue here. I have to point out that the problem with the temperature occurs with the increase of the baseclock. I had no problems yesterday when the baseclock was at 100 MHz.

Now i could:

  • buy another case and install 4 fans on that radiator and leave it installed in the top
  • install 4 fans on that radiator an move it to the front of the case and lose 3.5 inch harddrives
  • remove the purple fans and try the Kraken fans or any other fans which cool better and have to chose between decibels and efficiency and leave it in the top of the case without losing harddrives
  • compare the cooling system to other cooling systems and buy a new one or directly start with a custom water cooling system
  • or  put the baseclock back to 100 and see if i can get it stable without XMP
  • or reset to basic factory default settings … what? who did say that?

 

 

SiSoftware Sandra Benchmarks with Intel i7-5930K

 

Three weeks later and with an Intel i7-5930K at 4.375 GHz i still am juggling with temperatures. Even when running the Kraken X60 at full speeds, the temperature hits 91 °C during the prime95 stress test. I didn’t change anything yet but my first attempt, my first step will  be to install the Kraken fans in place of the Corsairs. Will update this post today once again.

 

cpu-z i7 5930k at 4.375 GHz
CPU-Z: i7-5930k at 4.375 GHz

 

Ok today (26. September 2014) i installed the Kraken fans

which come with the Kraken x60. The results are much better. The fans tho, are noisy as fuck but i can get things straight now. I also managed to weak the i7-5930K at 4.5 GHz with a vcore of 1.390 V. The temperature almost instantly raised to 95°C when running heat-tests with prime95. With the fans at fulls-peed this is really the limit. Just when graphics card would kick in, or something else that generates more heat in the sytem, i’m pretty much fucked. So when you were looking for a review of Kraken X60 and i7-5930K i can tell you that you might achieve those 4.5 GHz with that Kraken X60 water-cooling-set but you will not be happy with it. I will try some other fans in the near future. I spent a lot of time at work to compare fans, their pressure and throughput etc.

 

4.5 GHz achieved

temperatures > 90 °C (with prime95 heat-test  and Kraken fans at 100%). Regarding prime95 and current settings (after publishing this post) please read this post, important!

 

I made a short clip of the system when running at 4.5 GHz to capture the noise too. It was a very important step and lucky me, the right one to get my temperature problems solved and detect what the problem relies on.

Well, since i reached the limit of my current built i will go back to 4.375 GHz where temperatures and water-cooling run smoother. When running a heat-test the temperature does not hit the 90 °C mark and fans are not going crazy.

 

 

5930k_4.375ghz1.29
CPU-Z: i7-5930k at 4.375 GHz [1.290 V]

As soon as the Vcore, preselected by the mainboard, does not lead to a stable system, you are in that performance spectrum of the CPU, where you 1. start to lose Performance/Watt 2. and have to add some extra Volts on the preselected value to make it stable.

It turned out that when i want to run my system at these 4.375 GHz, i add 0.01 – 0.02 extra Volts to it (preselect value 1.27 sometimes 1.28) and will end up with a Vcore of 1.29 . Obviously i did not get the first price in the silicon valley lottery but it could be worse and with only 0.01 extra Volts i’m very close to the stable region of that die. However, the preselected Vcore value at 4.5 GHz was 1.310 Volts. I had to add 0.07 Volts to make it run stable. Hot, but stable. That does also mean that for 1 extra ratio / multiplier i have to add almost three times as much Volts to the preselect value as i have to when running at 4.375 GHz.

 

 

 

I definetly will get some other fans but for now they do their job pretty well. To be continued.

Corsair DDR4, Asus X99 Deluxe, Intel i7-5930K and Kraken X60

i7-5930k, Obsidian 450D, Asus x99 Deluxe, RM1000, Kraken X60, Vengeance LPX DDR4
i7-5930k, Obsidian 450D, Asus x99 Deluxe, RM1000, Kraken X60, Vengeance LPX DDR4

 

LGA2011-v3, DDR4 and x99 Chipset

Today it happened, i went to my main source for parts to get me my new system. You may wonder but it was not my intention to buy only Corsair stuff. It just happened. The next generation RAM DDR4 and one of the newest Intel Haswell-E CPU i7-5930K LGA2011-v3 on an Asus x99 motherboard. It will blow me away. In the end of the post i will make first steps towards overclocking. For the next few weeks i will continue doing so and write new posts here and there.

Update: Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS for Asus x99 Deluxe
Update: SiSoftware Sandra Lite and i7-5930K benchmark
Update: Asus x99 BIOS update – 0904 released with updated microcode!
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe standby mode not working properly
Update: Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 x99 – Problems solved?
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe on its way to the manufacturer
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS Ver. 1305

 

 

Here is the shopping list

 

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste) LGA2011-v3
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

Well i must admit, that i picked the mainboard they had available. I couldn’t wait.

 

Components of my old system which will be taken over

  • 2x OCZ Vertex 2 SSD 60 GB, Sata 2, 300 Gb/s in RAID- 0
  • 1x Optical Disk DVD DL Burner with no Vendor Label
  • 2x Seagate Surveillance 3 TB, Sata 3, 600 Gb/s RAID-1
  • 1x EVGA GTX 770 4GB

 

 

  • OCZ Vertex 2 300 Gb/s
    OCZ Vertex 2, Sata 2, 300 Gb/s

 

 

Assembling this baby

Assembling the components was – come on, it’s a ritual – awesome. I sat in the middle of my living room surrounded by all the blinky, shiny, super cool parts and started to make my way through the components.

I never have used water-cooling. I’m an old guy 😉 and today this will be the premiere of water-cooling – so excited. This first thing i came across was the fact, that the Asus x99 Deluxe (obviously any x99 / 2011-v3 Board) has an already installed backplate for cooling systems. It took a quite amount of time to realize that i do NOT have to use the by Kraken x60 equipped backplate to mount that water-cooler on that CPU. So you just assamble the cooler with the retention ring and spit some thermal paste on the i7-5930K to finally tighten it down. This was quite easy but it took some time to get it. The manual doesn’t tell you alot by words but by graphics. The radiator itself has been placed into the top of the case (while the mainboard was already installed).

Installing PSU, HDD/SSD/Optical did not require special handling. It’s just the cable routing problem you might get into. When plugging in that 24 Pin cable, try to be gentle. If your connector is on the right side, the case may wobble alot here and you tend to break something.

 

 

Teh Chipset

x99-chipset-block-diagram

 

Teh BIOS,

One Step further. The BIOS. I can not provide any pictures here. Find some here.  Just few words.

Asus x99 BIOS - Startscreen
Asus x99 BIOS – Startscreen

Raid? How? On click!

Since i’m using the SSDs of my now old computer (Windows 7) and did not want to make a fresh install, i had to disable and enable some things. The first thing was RAID. My SSDs were previously running in Stripe-RAID and so they will in the new computer. Had no problems here.  Just enabled RAID and thats it. I have to mention that i previously had also an Intel Raid Controller like this Asus x99 is shipped with. When your vendors differ you may have to prepare before changing systems. The next thing i enabled was Legacy boot priority and set to Non-UEFI System or “Other System”.

Disable secure boot? button? option? where? how?

The first thing i disabled was secure boot. But this mainboard has no “disable secure-boot” function or option. I had to delete my personal key or PK (in Key Managment) or whatever it stands for. Then i got “Secure-Boot: disabled” displayed.

Use USB ports next to Flash-Port

When i booted the disks the first time into Windows (remember, i did not make a new, fresh and clean install. Using my old Windows, which has not the drivers yet to support all USB ports), i had no USB devices available. Even not keyboard or mouse. At this moment i was using USB ports on the back of the mainboard. The Asus comes with 10 ports and i was using those on the right. These seem to be part of another chip and are not being recognized by my current Windows installation. Using ports on the left did help (these are located at the top if the mainboard is installed with I/O shield upwards).

So i was able to boot and login to Windows. Installing and Playing with drivers and software for an hour, then i started to clock things up and i went to bed with a base-system. First attempts to overlock i7-5930K failed.

XMP profiles do not work really on 0504 BIOS

All attempts to use XMP clocks result in a systemhang at either Code 53 or 6d (or bd ?). Using the Asus “Mem-OK!” button was sometimes a good help. It can make a cmos reset become unnecessary.

In the end, i manually set DDRAM Freq to 2800 MHz and the DRAM voltage to 1.35 because 1.2 V seem to be too low.

 

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2133 MHz base speed
CPU-Z: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2133 MHz base speed (1086.4 MHz x2)

 

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
CPU-Z: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz (1402.2 MHz x2)

 

 

According the manual of Asus and according to the website of Corsair these modules should be able to run at 2800 MHz at 1.2 V but my modules don’t or the Asus x99 does not know how. However we talk about incredibly new DDR4 technology standard and a new CPU socket 2011-v3.

By the way: CPU-Z Asus branded version is shipped together with the Asus x99 Deluxe.

The following Read / Write numbers on these DDR4 modules are measured with the ASUS PC Diagnostic tool, also shipped with the mainboard.

Write: 101 GB/s, Read: 47 GB/s

 

 

Readspeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Readspeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Writespeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Writespeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz

 

Playing with ratio – first shy overclock attempts

My CPU ratio is set to 41 at max at a baseclock of 100 MHz (41*100 = 4,1 GHz) and runs stable. I did a 30 minute stress test and was surprised how great the Kraken x60 performs in my case.

 

CPU-Z CPU Tab with i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz
CPU-Z: CPU Tab with i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz

 

The i7-5930K temperature peaks at 62 ° C with 22 ° C  ambient temperature, while the watercooling-fluid hits the 41,6 ° C mark. Considering that the standard fans that come with the Kranken X60 have been replaced by Corsairs purple ones which rotate only at 1440 +- max and that the CPU is overclocked at this moment, it’s a fairly good result.

 

cpu-z i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz
NZXT Kraken x60 and CPU i7-5930K (LGA 2011-v3) at 4.1 GHz

 A month later i wrote a post about Kraken Controls.

 

 

Monitoring and Asus AISuite 3

One negative thing (which in fact isn’t really negative) is that the Asus x99 doesn’t come with a software to monitor temperatures and fan speeds in a way like HW-Monitor does and the tools that come with it are almost useless. All i installed are the drivers, CPU-Z and the Diagnostic tool. I mean, that is not a big of a deal since there are tons of small apps out there which can do the job and you can install ASUS AIsuite3 to get a cool looking tool to monitor the temps and fans but not like HW-Monitor or Open Hardware Monitor. There’s no line-wise monitoring that would enable you to see all values at once in one window in the same time. But did i mention that AISuite3 looks cool?

 

Screenshot: ASUS AISuite 3 that comes with Asus x99 Deluxe
Screenshot: ASUS AISuite 3 that comes with Asus x99 Deluxe

 

 

Update: Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS for Asus x99 Deluxe
Update: SiSoftware Sandra Lite and i7-5930K benchmark
Update: Asus x99 BIOS update – 0904 released with updated microcode!
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe standby mode not working properly
Update: Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 x99 – Problems solved?
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe on its way to the manufacturer
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS Ver. 1305

 

DDR4 and 2011-v3! Waiting for Christmas?

How could you expect something else than this. They managed to get it both on market a good amount of time before Christmas. I’m sure that i will put my money into a new rig soon, since i’m experiencing some issues with my new graphics card and am and was already thinking about a new rig since end 2013. The show must go on. BUT, be careful. We are still waiting for PCIe 4.0 !! Possible that if we now spend our money we will soon face our new board becoming old.

 

m.2.ssd
m.2.ssd

One good thing is that apart from DDR4, the new boards also come with SATAe and M.2 slots. You’re not only buying a new socket and RAM technology. You’re paving the way for next generation of data transfer. You will be equipped for the next few years. And unlike the 2011 version, that was release in the end of 2013, you don’t waste space on the die for graphic cores. Plain performance. Plain Mojo. I do want!

 

SATA-Express-connector-early-design-2
SATA express connector

 

Corsair Vengeance pro LPX DDR4
Corsair Vengeance pro LPX DDR4

 

Edit: 02. September 2014

If you take your time to read some articles on the net you will stumble over several issues that might occur with the new DDR4 and the mainboards. In my opinion this is quite normal as it is totally new. I will buy my new rig tomorrow 02. Sept. 2014. Im not scared about the problems that might occur. The hardware list will be added tomorrow when i have a big smile in my face.

 

Good luck -> to the list of parts