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Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3

Update: 12. March 2015

This post becomes old, however, even when it may have been stupid to call prime95 a bad choice to test overclocks it somehow may have saved peoples wallet. In the beginning when x99 was thrown onto the market, things were very new and everyone had to get closer to the new design step by step, carefully. As you have to admit, there were many articles about mainboards that were catching fire, go up in smoke, or break in any other possible way. Things are getting more stable and people are making their  way through the jungle of architechture. Today i still would recommend people to be careful with prime95 but i would no longer discourage people from using it.

Update: 06. October 2014

Well i can not completely revise this.. when i started to think that prime95 doesn’t go well with Haswell-E i did run future tests with other tools like cinebench, sisoftware sandra, aida64 and had no problems even with lower voltages (1.28 V). Rendering videos, playing games and whatever you do with your computer also did work quite well. Today i tested with OCCT and it goes the same direction (1.35 V stable).  With prime95 i ended at 1.37 V or even 1.39 V . So prime95 still does require lot more voltage to run stable than for example OCCT does, so im not sure yet where this journey is gonna end. I can not recommend using prime95.

 

Hellow peeps. The long journey comes to an end now. [Due to Update on 06. October i have to  over-think this] I finally or accidently came to the “conclusion” that prime95 isn’t the right choice to test the Haswell-E processor series, like the i7-5930K to run any sort of stresstests.

In the end of the day this processor, the i7-5930K will be running at 4.5 Ghz  with everything else overclocked at reasonable temperatures and stable. Well, not prime95-stable but Aida64-Cinebench-and-SiSoftware-Sandra-stable. Prime is just no longer an option or relevant for 2011 and x99.

 

So this is going to be a big round-up confusing

The truth is, that i stumbled over a forum thread, while i was searching for wprime95, saying that prime95 doesn’t go well with Haswell-E. So, while it’s still saturday night/sunday in the very morning and i was about to leave the system for today as it is, i decided to repeat some steps on the Asus x99 Deluxe, i did in the past weeks. In the beginning of the OC-adventure, i started with prime95 only and later took SiSoftware Sandra into the boat.

 

Quick Overview of the System (or have a quick look at previous posts):

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste)
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

 

Replacing prime95

Now prime95 has been replaced by Aida64 and Cinebench, while SiSoftware Sandra stays in the club. Benchmarks and graphs are always nice, but i intentionally use the software to make sure components are working fine together in harmony.

It’s already a month now since x99 and friends have been thrown on the market. A lot of you guys were sure smarter than i am/was and already knew that prime95 is a bad idea – when it comes to Haswell-E. While the hole world already OC’ed their CPUs with success i will just stick to some pictures. After i decided to no longer use prime95, i  revoked / undid most of the changes i made there, to start from zero.

Quick overview:

CPU i7-5930K in GHz: Corsair LPX DDR4 in MHz: Asus x99 Deluxe Baseclock in MHz:
3,7 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 2166 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 100 @ base (BIOS 0505)
2800 @ 1.5 V or 1.35 V (XMP didn’t work and Memory was very unstable at higher frequencies – or let’s say, with prime95 it was)
4,1 @ 1,23 V (release BIOS to BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.35 V (release BIOS + BIOS 0701, XMP started to work with 0701) 100 (BIOS 0505 – 0701)
4,2 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0701 + BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.2 V (BIOS 0701 + 0801) 127,5 (BIOS 0801)
4,25 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,375 @ 1,265 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) + (BIOS 0904) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,427 @ 1,31 V (BIOS 0904) 3034 @ 1.35 V / 3416 MHz Cache (BIOS 0904) 126,5 (BIOS 0904)
4,462 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0904) 127,5 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3088 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0904) 128,7 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,35 V OCCT stable 128,7 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,37 – 1,39 V prime95 stable, requires extreme² cooling 128,7 (BIOS 0904)

Some values were tested on different BIOS versions, some were stable some were not, some or many of them don’t even show up here. The table doesn’t show all  combinations. In all cases you can say, that the newer setting also did run at least 1 BIOS version behind. For example 4.5 GHz was also tested on 0801 with Vcore from 1.27 to 1.390  and a lot of changes in voltages for other parts like Input Voltage or Agent Voltage or Cache Voltage or Changes in the DIGI Tab. But i do not recommend this especially because this happend in the prime95 period. In a previous post i said that XMP with BIOS 0701 was unstable. Thats not correct. This was also affected by prime95.

 

Intel i7-5930K now finally at 4.5 GHz with peacful 1.27 V vcore
Intel i7-5930K now finally at 4.5 GHz with peacful 1.27 V Vcore

 

To the edge 4.6 GHz but prime95

As i mentioned already in a previous post, i could easily clock that Haswell-E jewel to 4.6 GHz. Problem had been, that it just didn’t pass the prime95 tests and that i found myself increasing and increasing over and over again the Vcore. At this moment i was noticing something weird with prime95 the first time, but i didn’t know about that bad relationship between prime95 and Haswell before, so i kept using it. What in the end led to a super hot CPU and with a crying Kraken X60 with stock fans. I made a short clip to demonstrate the Kraken stock fans at 1000% load (yes, that extra zero was intended). [Video quick link].

CPU – i7-5930K DRAM – Corsair LPX 2800 DDR4 Cache Baseclock
4.5 GHz 3088 MHz 3860 MHz 128.7 MHz
1.276 V 1.35 V 1.2 V
1.29 V
On 30. Sept. 2014 (2 days after publishing this post) - got a bluescreen 0x3B occasionally  during SiSoftware Sandra Multicore Efficiency Test (this test did already run a few times with no error or bluescreen); will increase Vcore slightly from 1.276 to 1.29. This update doesn't show up in the BIOS screenshots below!!!

 

Now starting from zero with default settings and new crew

So starting from zero with some basic settings (CPU, DRAM, Cache and Baseclock will be set), and some of them are the result of the past few weeks. Initially will reset all voltage values and any performance related values to “Auto”  again and boot the system.

 

 

Corsairs LPX Vengeance DDR4 2800 MHz Memory Kit at 3088 MHz and a cache speed at 3861 MHz
Corsairs LPX Vengeance DDR4 2800 MHz Memory Kit at 3088 MHz and a cache speed at 3861 MHz

 

Not that surprising but defaults deliver

And find myself happy with it. Now where the Vcore is back to normal and due to the absence of prime95 the temperatures during stress tests are lovely ( the funny thing here is, they never were bad, just prime95 made appear everything worse ). And more important the Kraken X60 stock fans do not  have to go crazy anymore. Win-Win situation for me and the computer parts. Maybe i can get back to my Corsairs purple fans? When i run prime95 now with these settings, the system instantly goes down, but on the other hand i can normally use it. Can run any (non-prime95)benchmark, can render videos etc, can play any game … etc. somethign weird is burrowed in prime95.

 

Aida64 Benchmark

The Aida64 Report has been uploaded to let you guys and girls see some graphs. If that’s not enough, i would like you to visit the SiSoftware Sandra Result / Ranking Page. No graphs but benchmaaaarks. SiSoftware Link 2

 

Cinebench Results

 

cinebench3 cinebench2

 

Temperature peak during tests 69 °C

the temperatures are very good in my opinion and the Kraken fans aren’t even close to the speed they were running when i used prime95 in previous overclocking attempts and tests.

 

Temperature results after Cinebench and Aida64 test runs
Temperature results after Cinebench and Aida64 test runs

 

 

Since all changes i made in the BIOS during the overclocking-journey are no longer necessary, it remains pretty much basic. Just for you, the…

Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS settings, i currently, 28. September 2014, run my system with.

.. meanwhile will run another SiSoftware Sandra Overall Bench.

 

Asus x99 BIOS - Startscreen
Asus x99 BIOS – Startscreen

 

Asus x99 BIOS - Main Page
Asus x99 BIOS – Main Page

 

Asus x99 BIOS - AI Tweak Pages
Asus x99 BIOS – AI Tweak Pages – The Voltage update (1.29) doesn’t show up here.

 

Asus x99 BIOS - DIGI Pages
Asus x99 BIOS – DIGI Pages

 

Asus x99 - Internal CPU Power Management Page
Asus x99 BIOS – Internal CPU Power Management Page

 

Asus x99 BIOS - CPU Power Management Configuration
Asus x99 BIOS – CPU Power Management Configuration

 

 

 

Corsair DDR4, Asus X99 Deluxe, Intel i7-5930K and Kraken X60

i7-5930k, Obsidian 450D, Asus x99 Deluxe, RM1000, Kraken X60, Vengeance LPX DDR4
i7-5930k, Obsidian 450D, Asus x99 Deluxe, RM1000, Kraken X60, Vengeance LPX DDR4

 

LGA2011-v3, DDR4 and x99 Chipset

Today it happened, i went to my main source for parts to get me my new system. You may wonder but it was not my intention to buy only Corsair stuff. It just happened. The next generation RAM DDR4 and one of the newest Intel Haswell-E CPU i7-5930K LGA2011-v3 on an Asus x99 motherboard. It will blow me away. In the end of the post i will make first steps towards overclocking. For the next few weeks i will continue doing so and write new posts here and there.

Update: Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS for Asus x99 Deluxe
Update: SiSoftware Sandra Lite and i7-5930K benchmark
Update: Asus x99 BIOS update – 0904 released with updated microcode!
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe standby mode not working properly
Update: Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 x99 – Problems solved?
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe on its way to the manufacturer
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS Ver. 1305

 

 

Here is the shopping list

 

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste) LGA2011-v3
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

Well i must admit, that i picked the mainboard they had available. I couldn’t wait.

 

Components of my old system which will be taken over

  • 2x OCZ Vertex 2 SSD 60 GB, Sata 2, 300 Gb/s in RAID- 0
  • 1x Optical Disk DVD DL Burner with no Vendor Label
  • 2x Seagate Surveillance 3 TB, Sata 3, 600 Gb/s RAID-1
  • 1x EVGA GTX 770 4GB

 

 

  • OCZ Vertex 2 300 Gb/s
    OCZ Vertex 2, Sata 2, 300 Gb/s

 

 

Assembling this baby

Assembling the components was – come on, it’s a ritual – awesome. I sat in the middle of my living room surrounded by all the blinky, shiny, super cool parts and started to make my way through the components.

I never have used water-cooling. I’m an old guy 😉 and today this will be the premiere of water-cooling – so excited. This first thing i came across was the fact, that the Asus x99 Deluxe (obviously any x99 / 2011-v3 Board) has an already installed backplate for cooling systems. It took a quite amount of time to realize that i do NOT have to use the by Kraken x60 equipped backplate to mount that water-cooler on that CPU. So you just assamble the cooler with the retention ring and spit some thermal paste on the i7-5930K to finally tighten it down. This was quite easy but it took some time to get it. The manual doesn’t tell you alot by words but by graphics. The radiator itself has been placed into the top of the case (while the mainboard was already installed).

Installing PSU, HDD/SSD/Optical did not require special handling. It’s just the cable routing problem you might get into. When plugging in that 24 Pin cable, try to be gentle. If your connector is on the right side, the case may wobble alot here and you tend to break something.

 

 

Teh Chipset

x99-chipset-block-diagram

 

Teh BIOS,

One Step further. The BIOS. I can not provide any pictures here. Find some here.  Just few words.

Asus x99 BIOS - Startscreen
Asus x99 BIOS – Startscreen

Raid? How? On click!

Since i’m using the SSDs of my now old computer (Windows 7) and did not want to make a fresh install, i had to disable and enable some things. The first thing was RAID. My SSDs were previously running in Stripe-RAID and so they will in the new computer. Had no problems here.  Just enabled RAID and thats it. I have to mention that i previously had also an Intel Raid Controller like this Asus x99 is shipped with. When your vendors differ you may have to prepare before changing systems. The next thing i enabled was Legacy boot priority and set to Non-UEFI System or “Other System”.

Disable secure boot? button? option? where? how?

The first thing i disabled was secure boot. But this mainboard has no “disable secure-boot” function or option. I had to delete my personal key or PK (in Key Managment) or whatever it stands for. Then i got “Secure-Boot: disabled” displayed.

Use USB ports next to Flash-Port

When i booted the disks the first time into Windows (remember, i did not make a new, fresh and clean install. Using my old Windows, which has not the drivers yet to support all USB ports), i had no USB devices available. Even not keyboard or mouse. At this moment i was using USB ports on the back of the mainboard. The Asus comes with 10 ports and i was using those on the right. These seem to be part of another chip and are not being recognized by my current Windows installation. Using ports on the left did help (these are located at the top if the mainboard is installed with I/O shield upwards).

So i was able to boot and login to Windows. Installing and Playing with drivers and software for an hour, then i started to clock things up and i went to bed with a base-system. First attempts to overlock i7-5930K failed.

XMP profiles do not work really on 0504 BIOS

All attempts to use XMP clocks result in a systemhang at either Code 53 or 6d (or bd ?). Using the Asus “Mem-OK!” button was sometimes a good help. It can make a cmos reset become unnecessary.

In the end, i manually set DDRAM Freq to 2800 MHz and the DRAM voltage to 1.35 because 1.2 V seem to be too low.

 

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2133 MHz base speed
CPU-Z: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2133 MHz base speed (1086.4 MHz x2)

 

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
CPU-Z: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz (1402.2 MHz x2)

 

 

According the manual of Asus and according to the website of Corsair these modules should be able to run at 2800 MHz at 1.2 V but my modules don’t or the Asus x99 does not know how. However we talk about incredibly new DDR4 technology standard and a new CPU socket 2011-v3.

By the way: CPU-Z Asus branded version is shipped together with the Asus x99 Deluxe.

The following Read / Write numbers on these DDR4 modules are measured with the ASUS PC Diagnostic tool, also shipped with the mainboard.

Write: 101 GB/s, Read: 47 GB/s

 

 

Readspeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Readspeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Writespeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Writespeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz

 

Playing with ratio – first shy overclock attempts

My CPU ratio is set to 41 at max at a baseclock of 100 MHz (41*100 = 4,1 GHz) and runs stable. I did a 30 minute stress test and was surprised how great the Kraken x60 performs in my case.

 

CPU-Z CPU Tab with i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz
CPU-Z: CPU Tab with i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz

 

The i7-5930K temperature peaks at 62 ° C with 22 ° C  ambient temperature, while the watercooling-fluid hits the 41,6 ° C mark. Considering that the standard fans that come with the Kranken X60 have been replaced by Corsairs purple ones which rotate only at 1440 +- max and that the CPU is overclocked at this moment, it’s a fairly good result.

 

cpu-z i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz
NZXT Kraken x60 and CPU i7-5930K (LGA 2011-v3) at 4.1 GHz

 A month later i wrote a post about Kraken Controls.

 

 

Monitoring and Asus AISuite 3

One negative thing (which in fact isn’t really negative) is that the Asus x99 doesn’t come with a software to monitor temperatures and fan speeds in a way like HW-Monitor does and the tools that come with it are almost useless. All i installed are the drivers, CPU-Z and the Diagnostic tool. I mean, that is not a big of a deal since there are tons of small apps out there which can do the job and you can install ASUS AIsuite3 to get a cool looking tool to monitor the temps and fans but not like HW-Monitor or Open Hardware Monitor. There’s no line-wise monitoring that would enable you to see all values at once in one window in the same time. But did i mention that AISuite3 looks cool?

 

Screenshot: ASUS AISuite 3 that comes with Asus x99 Deluxe
Screenshot: ASUS AISuite 3 that comes with Asus x99 Deluxe

 

 

Update: Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS for Asus x99 Deluxe
Update: SiSoftware Sandra Lite and i7-5930K benchmark
Update: Asus x99 BIOS update – 0904 released with updated microcode!
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe standby mode not working properly
Update: Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 x99 – Problems solved?
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe on its way to the manufacturer
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS Ver. 1305