Back in 2014 the Intel Processor Diagnostic Tool (IPDT) was not working for 2011-v3 CPUs but now in 2015 they released an update on 20th January and maybe also earlier this year. However i just want to let you know.
When i started in September 2014 with my 2011-v3 RIG i did test a lot and sometimes you’d like to know if you already burned or damaged something on your chip due to overclocking. A Diagnostic Tool, made by the same people who produce our chips, is the best choice if you want to check your CPU for injuries.
Well, i’m using Kraken X60 water cooling system in my current 2011-v3 RIG with all that shiny stuff launched in september 2014, but initially i did use the “Kraken Controls” Software to configure and adjust my water cooling system.
When i installed the hardware and Kraken Controls these days, they had another software available to manage your cooling system. It’s called “CAM” or “Kraken CAM” and was at version 1.1.2, if i remember correctly.
Kraken LED when system powered off
If you want your LED flavoured Kraken/Watercooling Heatsink to not glow when the system is powered off, change the ErP Setting in the BIOS to “S4 + S5”.
Kraken CAM version 1.1.2 to 1.1.7
However the Kraken CAM version that was available didn’t work well with my new Intel i7-5930K and the Asus x99 Deluxe motherboard. The CPU temperature couldn’t be read by the software, like it can’t be read by Kraken Controls (see picture above: no CPU temperature) and the overall look and feel did remind me too much of Windows 8.x. So i sticked to Kraken Controls only and kept using it. Now, a month later, i gave it another try. The version of Kraken CAM is currently 1.1.7 and the CPU temperature is now being read by the software (picture below).
CPU temperature display not the only improvement?
The Kraken CAM software takes way more time to start than the Kraken Controls, which is a downside, but this will not be the point here. What i noticed first was, that it seeeeems to make my water cooling system run a lot smoother or lets say fluent :). The fans do not spin up that much like they did before at almost equal temperatures results. Yes, there will be a difference in the fan curves between Controls and CAM, but the point are the temperatures. That can only mean, that the pump is being used more efficiently.
Chose Kraken CAM
No matter what they did here, i write this post to just recommend you using the Kraken CAM software instead of Kraken Controls! I also doubt that they will put further development on the Kraken Controls software.
This post becomes old, however, even when it may have been stupid to call prime95 a bad choice to test overclocks it somehow may have saved peoples wallet. In the beginning when x99 was thrown onto the market, things were very new and everyone had to get closer to the new design step by step, carefully. As you have to admit, there were many articles about mainboards that were catching fire, go up in smoke, or break in any other possible way. Things are getting more stable and people are making their way through the jungle of architechture. Today i still would recommend people to be careful with prime95 but i would no longer discourage people from using it.
Update: 06. October 2014
Well i can not completely revise this.. when i started to think that prime95 doesn’t go well with Haswell-E i did run future tests with other tools like cinebench, sisoftware sandra, aida64 and had no problems even with lower voltages (1.28 V). Rendering videos, playing games and whatever you do with your computer also did work quite well. Today i tested with OCCT and it goes the same direction (1.35 V stable). With prime95 i ended at 1.37 V or even 1.39 V . So prime95 still does require lot more voltage to run stable than for example OCCT does, so im not sure yet where this journey is gonna end. I can not recommend using prime95.
Hellow peeps. The long journey comes to an end now. [Due to Update on 06. October i have to over-think this] I finally or accidently came to the “conclusion” that prime95 isn’t the right choice to test the Haswell-E processor series, like the i7-5930K to run any sort of stresstests.
In the end of the day this processor, the i7-5930K will be running at 4.5 Ghz with everything else overclocked at reasonable temperatures and stable. Well, not prime95-stable but Aida64-Cinebench-and-SiSoftware-Sandra-stable. Prime is just no longer an option or relevant for 2011 and x99.
Now prime95 has been replaced by Aida64 and Cinebench, while SiSoftware Sandra stays in the club. Benchmarks and graphs are always nice, but i intentionally use the software to make sure components are working fine together in harmony.
It’s already a month now since x99 and friends have been thrown on the market. A lot of you guys were sure smarter than i am/was and already knew that prime95 is a bad idea – when it comes to Haswell-E. While the hole world already OC’ed their CPUs with success i will just stick to some pictures. After i decided to no longer use prime95, i revoked / undid most of the changes i made there, to start from zero.
CPU i7-5930K in GHz:
Corsair LPX DDR4 in MHz:
Asus x99 Deluxe Baseclock in MHz:
3,7 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505)
2166 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505)
100 @ base (BIOS 0505)
2800 @ 1.5 V or 1.35 V (XMP didn’t work and Memory was very unstable at higher frequencies – or let’s say, with prime95 it was)
4,1 @ 1,23 V (release BIOS to BIOS 0801)
2800 @ 1.35 V (release BIOS + BIOS 0701, XMP started to work with 0701)
Some values were tested on different BIOS versions, some were stable some were not, some or many of them don’t even show up here. The table doesn’t show all combinations. In all cases you can say, that the newer setting also did run at least 1 BIOS version behind. For example 4.5 GHz was also tested on 0801 with Vcore from 1.27 to 1.390 and a lot of changes in voltages for other parts like Input Voltage or Agent Voltage or Cache Voltage or Changes in the DIGI Tab. But i do not recommend this especially because this happend in the prime95 period. In a previous post i said that XMP with BIOS 0701 was unstable. Thats not correct. This was also affected by prime95.
To the edge 4.6 GHz but prime95
As i mentioned already in a previous post, i could easily clock that Haswell-E jewel to 4.6 GHz. Problem had been, that it just didn’t pass the prime95 tests and that i found myself increasing and increasing over and over again the Vcore. At this moment i was noticing something weird with prime95 the first time, but i didn’t know about that bad relationship between prime95 and Haswell before, so i kept using it. What in the end led to a super hot CPU and with a crying Kraken X60 with stock fans. I made a short clip to demonstrate the Kraken stock fans at 1000% load (yes, that extra zero was intended). [Video quick link].
CPU – i7-5930K
DRAM – Corsair LPX 2800 DDR4
On 30. Sept. 2014 (2 days after publishing this post) - got a bluescreen 0x3B occasionally during SiSoftware Sandra Multicore Efficiency Test (this test did already run a few times with no error or bluescreen); will increase Vcore slightly from 1.276 to 1.29. This update doesn't show up in the BIOS screenshots below!!!
Now starting from zero with default settings and new crew
So starting from zero with some basic settings (CPU, DRAM, Cache and Baseclock will be set), and some of them are the result of the past few weeks. Initially will reset all voltage values and any performance related values to “Auto” again and boot the system.
Not that surprising but defaults deliver
And find myself happy with it. Now where the Vcore is back to normal and due to the absence of prime95 the temperatures during stress tests are lovely ( the funny thing here is, they never were bad, just prime95 made appear everything worse ). And more important the Kraken X60 stock fans do not have to go crazy anymore. Win-Win situation for me and the computer parts. Maybe i can get back to my Corsairs purple fans? When i run prime95 now with these settings, the system instantly goes down, but on the other hand i can normally use it. Can run any (non-prime95)benchmark, can render videos etc, can play any game … etc. somethign weird is burrowed in prime95.
Asus just released the next BIOS version 0904! I’m currently at work right now and can’t do anything but i will definetly get into this soon. One thing you might want to point out is the updated microcode. Can’t wait, can’t wait…
Can’t wait to download, test, love, hate and condemn this 🙂 If you already could gather some experience, let me know in the comments! I can’t wait to see benchmark results after this update.
Time has come – Asus x99 BIOS Update
Update 27. September 2014 ,07:32 CEST:
Here we are, the new BIOS installed makes Intel Storage want to repair my raid1 on two Seagate Disks. However, that only means that the testing starts a bit later in the day.The reason for the obviously desynced disks remains unknown. Possible that after loading the new BIOS and first boot attempt one of the disks got touched by the system in non-raid mode.
Update 27/28. September 2014, 1:15 CEST:
Phew, this was a very unpleasent day. The new BIOS is running fine but i didn’t get a lot more out of it than before. As i mentiond already in another post i could achieve 4.5 GHz with the i7-5930K at BIOS version 0801, but its almost impossible to run it stable and cool at the same time. At least when it comes to prime95. If i don’t care about prime95 i could easily run the CPU at 4.6 GHz. However, currently i’m at
CPU clock: 4.427 GHz (Ratio 35), Vcore 1.31, Sys Agent V 1.2, CPU Input V 1.92, Cache V 1.2
Memory: 3034 MHz, DRAM V 1.35
NB: 3416 MHz
And even at these speeds i’m getting 0x00000101 or 0x00000124 bluescreens when running prime95 tests but it takes longer to make it happen and the temperatures are not peaking at 90 °C instantly, like they would at 4.5 GHz and 1.38 Vcore. It doesn’t feel anymore like the Vcore is the issue. I think i have to pay more attention to the other voltages. I already started to change some values and even the cache frequency. I also disabled some voltage features, which may drop voltages down when you actually are increasing them.
The most stable combination still is 4.375 GHz, 1.27/1.28 Vcore at 125 MHz Baseclock.
Today i also started to use Asus AISuite to get my first experience with it.
For now thats pretty much it. I will add some more comments and pictures tomorrow/later. I will upload some screens of the BIOS settings. Now i will play a game and chillout.
In HW Monitor the VCORE equals the CPU Input Voltage. When i say Vcore in my post i refer to CPU core voltage or Vcore and since i installed Intel Management software HW Monitor shows less information and the power consumption is totally wrong.
Almost a week now since i purchased all the good new parts for my new computer. A few days now playing with overclocking (OC) parameters. Yesterday my computer froze two times and i had to start figuring things out again. You may know from my previous post, that i had to run the DDR4 RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX 2800 MHz at 1.35 V because i was experiencing issues and that the CPU i7-5930K was clocked at 4.1 GHz which was fine so far. The root cause for the system hangs is unknown yet. Could’ve been either CPU or RAM. The baseclock hadn’t been touched since today in the morning.
Sorry guys, i’m not going to show you lots of graphs of games and benchmarks.
But i can offer a link to SiSoftware Sandra results. Little update 26. September: 4.5 GHz achieved. Video clip soon. Scroll down for more information.
Well, the first things i tend to do was adjusting DRAM voltage and set CPU back to its basic settings. That worked so far with little throwbacks – if i remember correctly – but even than that i decided to check Asus webpage for new BIOSes for the Asus x99 Deluxe and there it is.
X99-DELUXE BIOS 0801
Seen, downloaded, installed.
And suddenly the XMP profiles did work pretty well with my DDR4 RAM. But there was a downside. The baseclock got raised to 127.5 MHz and the CPU received a slight voltage bonus and runs at 1.250 V now. (In the following picture the CPU runs at 4.2 GHz which was not the fact today in the morning).
That’s what was happening last night till today morning. I also made the first steps towards temperature enhancements. But failed. I set the CPU voltage to 1.110 V and hoped it would be enough to run the CPU smoothly and be able too cool it down. Negative Houston. Not stable enough for prime95. The overclock-process continues. When i came home from work today in the night (now) i proceeded the work on this. I configured the XMP profile and made no changes to the CPU voltage but i added 1 step to the ratio, means 4.2 GHz for the CPU.
Remember i donated a watercooling system to my computer. The Kraken X60. The Corsair fans i installed in place of the Kraken fans are not made to handle so much heat – it seems. The temperature hits the 92 ° C mark. Not good at all.
There is at this moment no way i can enhance the cooling yet if i want to stick to my purple fans. Two fans are covering the radiator and if i would go quadro-fan i had to buy a new case or install the radiator in the fron which in turn would mean good-bye 3.5″ inch harddrives.
I started prime95 right before i started to write this post and it did accompany the hole time. The result now is, that the CPU and RAM seem to work stable but the temperature is really an issue here. I have to point out that the problem with the temperature occurs with the increase of the baseclock. I had no problems yesterday when the baseclock was at 100 MHz.
Now i could:
buy another case and install 4 fans on that radiator and leave it installed in the top
install 4 fans on that radiator an move it to the front of the case and lose 3.5 inch harddrives
remove the purple fans and try the Kraken fans or any other fans which cool better and have to chose between decibels and efficiency and leave it in the top of the case without losing harddrives
compare the cooling system to other cooling systems and buy a new one or directly start with a custom water cooling system
or put the baseclock back to 100 and see if i can get it stable without XMP
or reset to basic factory default settings … what? who did say that?
Three weeks later and with an Intel i7-5930K at 4.375GHz i still am juggling with temperatures. Even when running the Kraken X60 at full speeds, the temperature hits 91 °C during the prime95 stress test. I didn’t change anything yet but my first attempt, my first step will be to install the Kraken fans in place of the Corsairs. Will update this post today once again.
Ok today (26. September 2014) i installed the Kraken fans
which come with the Kraken x60. The results are much better. The fans tho, are noisy as fuck but i can get things straight now. I also managed to weak the i7-5930K at 4.5 GHz with a vcore of 1.390 V. The temperature almost instantly raised to 95°C when running heat-tests with prime95. With the fans at fulls-peed this is really the limit. Just when graphics card would kick in, or something else that generates more heat in the sytem, i’m pretty much fucked. So when you were looking for a review of Kraken X60 and i7-5930K i can tell you that you might achieve those 4.5 GHz with that Kraken X60 water-cooling-set but you will not be happy with it. I will try some other fans in the near future. I spent a lot of time at work to compare fans, their pressure and throughput etc.
I made a short clip of the system when running at 4.5 GHz to capture the noise too. It was a very important step and lucky me, the right one to get my temperature problems solved and detect what the problem relies on.
Well, since i reached the limit of my current built i will go back to 4.375 GHz where temperatures and water-cooling run smoother. When running a heat-test the temperature does not hit the 90 °C mark and fans are not going crazy.
As soon as the Vcore, preselected by the mainboard, does not lead to a stable system, you are in that performance spectrum of the CPU, where you 1. start to lose Performance/Watt 2. and have to add some extra Volts on the preselected value to make it stable.
It turned out that when i want to run my system at these 4.375 GHz, i add 0.01 – 0.02 extra Volts to it (preselect value 1.27 sometimes 1.28) and will end up with a Vcore of 1.29 . Obviously i did not get the first price in the silicon valley lottery but it could be worse and with only 0.01 extra Volts i’m very close to the stable region of that die. However, the preselected Vcore value at 4.5 GHz was 1.310 Volts. I had to add 0.07 Volts to make it run stable. Hot, but stable. That does also mean that for 1 extra ratio / multiplier i have to add almost three times as much Volts to the preselect value as i have to when running at 4.375 GHz.
I definetly will get some other fans but for now they do their job pretty well. To be continued.
Today it happened, i went to my main source for parts to get me my new system. You may wonder but it was not my intention to buy only Corsair stuff. It just happened. The next generation RAM DDR4 and one of the newest Intel Haswell-E CPU i7-5930K LGA2011-v3 on an Asus x99 motherboard. It will blow me away. In the end of the post i will make first steps towards overclocking. For the next few weeks i will continue doing so and write new posts here and there.
Assembling the components was – come on, it’s a ritual – awesome. I sat in the middle of my living room surrounded by all the blinky, shiny, super cool parts and started to make my way through the components.
I never have used water-cooling. I’m an old guy 😉 and today this will be the premiere of water-cooling – so excited. This first thing i came across was the fact, that the Asus x99 Deluxe (obviously any x99 / 2011-v3 Board) has an already installed backplate for cooling systems. It took a quite amount of time to realize that i do NOT have to use the by Kraken x60 equipped backplate to mount that water-cooler on that CPU. So you just assamble the cooler with the retention ring and spit some thermal paste on the i7-5930K to finally tighten it down. This was quite easy but it took some time to get it. The manual doesn’t tell you alot by words but by graphics. The radiator itself has been placed into the top of the case (while the mainboard was already installed).
Installing PSU, HDD/SSD/Optical did not require special handling. It’s just the cable routing problem you might get into. When plugging in that 24 Pin cable, try to be gentle. If your connector is on the right side, the case may wobble alot here and you tend to break something.
One Step further. The BIOS. I can not provide any pictures here. Find some here. Just few words.
Raid? How? On click!
Since i’m using the SSDs of my now old computer (Windows 7) and did not want to make a fresh install, i had to disable and enable some things. The first thing was RAID. My SSDs were previously running in Stripe-RAID and so they will in the new computer. Had no problems here. Just enabled RAID and thats it. I have to mention that i previously had also an Intel Raid Controller like this Asus x99 is shipped with. When your vendors differ you may have to prepare before changing systems. The next thing i enabled was Legacy boot priority and set to Non-UEFI System or “Other System”.
Disable secure boot? button? option? where? how?
The first thing i disabled was secure boot. But this mainboard has no “disable secure-boot” function or option. I had to delete my personal key or PK (in Key Managment) or whatever it stands for. Then i got “Secure-Boot: disabled” displayed.
Use USB ports next to Flash-Port
When i booted the disks the first time into Windows (remember, i did not make a new, fresh and clean install. Using my old Windows, which has not the drivers yet to support all USB ports), i had no USB devices available. Even not keyboard or mouse. At this moment i was using USB ports on the back of the mainboard. The Asus comes with 10 ports and i was using those on the right. These seem to be part of another chip and are not being recognized by my current Windows installation. Using ports on the left did help (these are located at the top if the mainboard is installed with I/O shield upwards).
So i was able to boot and login to Windows. Installing and Playing with drivers and software for an hour, then i started to clock things up and i went to bed with a base-system. First attempts to overlock i7-5930K failed.
XMP profiles do not work really on 0504 BIOS
All attempts to use XMP clocks result in a systemhang at either Code 53 or 6d (or bd ?). Using the Asus “Mem-OK!” button was sometimes a good help. It can make a cmos reset become unnecessary.
In the end, i manually set DDRAM Freq to 2800 MHz and the DRAM voltage to 1.35 because 1.2 V seem to be too low.
According the manual of Asus and according to the website of Corsair these modules should be able to run at 2800 MHz at 1.2 V but my modules don’t or the Asus x99 does not know how. However we talk about incredibly new DDR4 technology standard and a new CPU socket 2011-v3.
By the way: CPU-Z Asus branded version is shipped together with the Asus x99 Deluxe.
The following Read / Write numbers on these DDR4 modules are measured with the ASUS PC Diagnostic tool, also shipped with the mainboard.
Write: 101 GB/s, Read: 47 GB/s
Playing with ratio – first shy overclock attempts
My CPU ratio is set to 41 at max at a baseclock of 100 MHz (41*100 = 4,1 GHz) and runs stable. I did a 30 minute stress test and was surprised how great the Kraken x60 performs in my case.
The i7-5930K temperature peaks at 62 ° C with 22 ° C ambient temperature, while the watercooling-fluid hits the 41,6 ° C mark. Considering that the standard fans that come with the Kranken X60 have been replaced by Corsairs purple ones which rotate only at 1440 +- max and that the CPU is overclocked at this moment, it’s a fairly good result.
One negative thing (which in fact isn’t really negative) is that the Asus x99 doesn’t come with a software to monitor temperatures and fan speeds in a way like HW-Monitor does and the tools that come with it are almost useless. All i installed are the drivers, CPU-Z and the Diagnostic tool. I mean, that is not a big of a deal since there are tons of small apps out there which can do the job and you can install ASUS AIsuite3 to get a cool looking tool to monitor the temps and fans but not likeHW-Monitor orOpen Hardware Monitor. There’s no line-wise monitoring that would enable you to see all values at once in one window in the same time. But did i mention that AISuite3 looks cool?