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Another BIOS release for x99 Deluxe

Asus just did release another BIOS for the Asus x99 Deluxe. We are now at Version 1601 1702.

With BIOS 1502/1601 .. the problem width Audio somehow disappeared for now or maybe the emitting component in my circuits. However i wasn’t happy with the digital to analog converter since it requires additional power supply and using usb power insead of power supply was a bad choice since the emitted frequencies i had earlier were injected in that converter too.

 

 

Asus x99 Deluxe on its way to the manufacturer

Update 12. Dec. 2014:
3 weeks later and still waiting for my mainboard. This really is “a bad situation”. It’s not like we still were back in th 80s or 90s  where shipping takes weeks. I wonder what they are doing there. I’m disappointed. Just imagine they had 1 week to receive the mainboard one week to work on it and another to send the mainboard back to me. What the heck is Asus thinking? This was my last Asus product for sure.

 


Today it happend. I finally brought the Asus x99 Deluxe in to my local hardware dealer to send the board back to Asus. To be honest, i hoped my dealer will keep my old board and let me chose a new one. I will now summarize some problems i was facing. Things became worse during time.

 

Mystic behaviour: Power on!

Right in the first month it happended once, that i woke up, went into my living room and my computer was powered on. It should be powered off. Hey i’m a computer junky and strange things happen frequently, especially to my mind. Sometimes i even doubt my memories because of that littl sleep i often get. When i saw my computer powered on, i couldn’t believe it and almost instantly rejected the things going on in my head and said to myself “Oh i forgot to power it off….”. So this was the first time.
It happend again yesterday, but i was absent.

 

The standby problem

I already talked about it. The system was sometimes hard to wake from standby mode. It was possible to put the system into standby but not to wake it, most times. And now a few days ago it also was hard to put it into standby mode. So things are getting worse.

 

What you like for dinner?

My BIOS decided to forget about its boot-settings. This happend only once in 2.5 months.

 

System hang during boot

i had my first system hang few days ago during boot. Windows 7 was about to animate its logo / load its bootscreen and the Windows Symbol was about to load but stopped.

 

US what? USB?

I was able to wake my system from standby the next day but it seemed that the USB devices got power but are not recognized. Keyboard and mouse dead. Nothing. Asus x99 Deluxe was like “OK, that’s it, i’ma shut down” and  the system shut down. No reboot. Silence.

 

Sad but necesary

And then, when things like this happen to you frequently and when you read about Asus x99 Deluxe boards, which burn through your CPU and everything else or turn into “fire” (some people reported a little blue blaze/flame when a component on the board died), then you reached that moment to bring the board back to where it came from. I RMA’d it today.

Its a sad story because this board did perform very well in any benchmark tests, especially in those bigger tests performed by other, bigger tech-sites, but i fear that the problems will never disappear or get solved by asus. I fear that they simply replace the board and that i get a new monster. New but fraught with the same problems. Hope is all you can have at this point.

 

Stock or Overclocked?

Some of the mentioned problems occured with a OC’ed system, some other occured with a stock system. I didn’t try to reproduce every behaviour under different circumstances but i can tell you that i played a lot with the mainboard and its settings. Starting with slight changes and getting as deep and detailed as possible. I did touch almost all voltage settings you can alter in the BIOS. One thing i didn’t do was playing with memory-timings. It will take weeks to go through all settings and find the “evil” ones causing the system to drive you nuts. Every change follows a test, which in most cases is nothing else than using your computer like you do on daily basis. Only performance tests can be performed intantly in short time. However, the story continues as soon as i get my MOBO back.

Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 x99 – Problems solved?

Update 06. November 2014:

One good thing i have to mention is, that i had no problems yet to wake the system from standby-mode nor did i have any problems that occured with BIOS 0904. BUT I went to do the shopping and put my system or tried to put my system into standby-mode, but it never did. This is a strange behaviour.

 

I was talking with a guy “Wei Liu” about these issues and he told me that increasing VTT voltage may help here. He just heard of it or read it somewhere. So i decided to increase voltages. What i didn’t mention yet is, that with BIOS 1004 i tested only with stock-settings the first days. Now when i will run the system oc’ed i’m going to apply the tips. Results coming soon.

 


 

Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 released in the end of October

I’m currently testing the Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 they obviously released already in october. I didn’t notice that. However the first 3 tests were successful. Which means the standbymode, that i mentioned in a previous post with BIOS 0904 (and earlier), did work properly with 1004 (… to their Downloadpage)  so far. But the last test is pending. The standby-problem tend to occur, when the system is cold, what indeed is currently not the fact. Even a 10 minuten power-break doesn’t simulate a cold system correctly. I have to wait, then when i wake up the next time to proceed with it.

Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 - Problems solved?
Asus x99 Deluxe

 

Few words about the previous BIOS 0904

By time passing by, i experienced some other problems with the previous BIOS 0904. Once it happend that the system forgot about the Boot-Settings. Another strange situation came up, when the system started on its own after a clean shutdown.

I will try observ this too for sure on the new BIOS 1004. Or lets say, you can’t ignore these mal-behaviours since your perception can’t elude these.

Nothing solved at this moment. Status is open.

Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3

Update: 12. March 2015

This post becomes old, however, even when it may have been stupid to call prime95 a bad choice to test overclocks it somehow may have saved peoples wallet. In the beginning when x99 was thrown onto the market, things were very new and everyone had to get closer to the new design step by step, carefully. As you have to admit, there were many articles about mainboards that were catching fire, go up in smoke, or break in any other possible way. Things are getting more stable and people are making their  way through the jungle of architechture. Today i still would recommend people to be careful with prime95 but i would no longer discourage people from using it.

Update: 06. October 2014

Well i can not completely revise this.. when i started to think that prime95 doesn’t go well with Haswell-E i did run future tests with other tools like cinebench, sisoftware sandra, aida64 and had no problems even with lower voltages (1.28 V). Rendering videos, playing games and whatever you do with your computer also did work quite well. Today i tested with OCCT and it goes the same direction (1.35 V stable).  With prime95 i ended at 1.37 V or even 1.39 V . So prime95 still does require lot more voltage to run stable than for example OCCT does, so im not sure yet where this journey is gonna end. I can not recommend using prime95.

 

Hellow peeps. The long journey comes to an end now. [Due to Update on 06. October i have to  over-think this] I finally or accidently came to the “conclusion” that prime95 isn’t the right choice to test the Haswell-E processor series, like the i7-5930K to run any sort of stresstests.

In the end of the day this processor, the i7-5930K will be running at 4.5 Ghz  with everything else overclocked at reasonable temperatures and stable. Well, not prime95-stable but Aida64-Cinebench-and-SiSoftware-Sandra-stable. Prime is just no longer an option or relevant for 2011 and x99.

 

So this is going to be a big round-up confusing

The truth is, that i stumbled over a forum thread, while i was searching for wprime95, saying that prime95 doesn’t go well with Haswell-E. So, while it’s still saturday night/sunday in the very morning and i was about to leave the system for today as it is, i decided to repeat some steps on the Asus x99 Deluxe, i did in the past weeks. In the beginning of the OC-adventure, i started with prime95 only and later took SiSoftware Sandra into the boat.

 

Quick Overview of the System (or have a quick look at previous posts):

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste)
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

 

Replacing prime95

Now prime95 has been replaced by Aida64 and Cinebench, while SiSoftware Sandra stays in the club. Benchmarks and graphs are always nice, but i intentionally use the software to make sure components are working fine together in harmony.

It’s already a month now since x99 and friends have been thrown on the market. A lot of you guys were sure smarter than i am/was and already knew that prime95 is a bad idea – when it comes to Haswell-E. While the hole world already OC’ed their CPUs with success i will just stick to some pictures. After i decided to no longer use prime95, i  revoked / undid most of the changes i made there, to start from zero.

Quick overview:

CPU i7-5930K in GHz: Corsair LPX DDR4 in MHz: Asus x99 Deluxe Baseclock in MHz:
3,7 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 2166 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 100 @ base (BIOS 0505)
2800 @ 1.5 V or 1.35 V (XMP didn’t work and Memory was very unstable at higher frequencies – or let’s say, with prime95 it was)
4,1 @ 1,23 V (release BIOS to BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.35 V (release BIOS + BIOS 0701, XMP started to work with 0701) 100 (BIOS 0505 – 0701)
4,2 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0701 + BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.2 V (BIOS 0701 + 0801) 127,5 (BIOS 0801)
4,25 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,375 @ 1,265 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) + (BIOS 0904) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,427 @ 1,31 V (BIOS 0904) 3034 @ 1.35 V / 3416 MHz Cache (BIOS 0904) 126,5 (BIOS 0904)
4,462 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0904) 127,5 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3088 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0904) 128,7 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,35 V OCCT stable 128,7 (BIOS 0904)
4,5 @ 1,37 – 1,39 V prime95 stable, requires extreme² cooling 128,7 (BIOS 0904)

Some values were tested on different BIOS versions, some were stable some were not, some or many of them don’t even show up here. The table doesn’t show all  combinations. In all cases you can say, that the newer setting also did run at least 1 BIOS version behind. For example 4.5 GHz was also tested on 0801 with Vcore from 1.27 to 1.390  and a lot of changes in voltages for other parts like Input Voltage or Agent Voltage or Cache Voltage or Changes in the DIGI Tab. But i do not recommend this especially because this happend in the prime95 period. In a previous post i said that XMP with BIOS 0701 was unstable. Thats not correct. This was also affected by prime95.

 

Intel i7-5930K now finally at 4.5 GHz with peacful 1.27 V vcore
Intel i7-5930K now finally at 4.5 GHz with peacful 1.27 V Vcore

 

To the edge 4.6 GHz but prime95

As i mentioned already in a previous post, i could easily clock that Haswell-E jewel to 4.6 GHz. Problem had been, that it just didn’t pass the prime95 tests and that i found myself increasing and increasing over and over again the Vcore. At this moment i was noticing something weird with prime95 the first time, but i didn’t know about that bad relationship between prime95 and Haswell before, so i kept using it. What in the end led to a super hot CPU and with a crying Kraken X60 with stock fans. I made a short clip to demonstrate the Kraken stock fans at 1000% load (yes, that extra zero was intended). [Video quick link].

CPU – i7-5930K DRAM – Corsair LPX 2800 DDR4 Cache Baseclock
4.5 GHz 3088 MHz 3860 MHz 128.7 MHz
1.276 V 1.35 V 1.2 V
1.29 V
On 30. Sept. 2014 (2 days after publishing this post) - got a bluescreen 0x3B occasionally  during SiSoftware Sandra Multicore Efficiency Test (this test did already run a few times with no error or bluescreen); will increase Vcore slightly from 1.276 to 1.29. This update doesn't show up in the BIOS screenshots below!!!

 

Now starting from zero with default settings and new crew

So starting from zero with some basic settings (CPU, DRAM, Cache and Baseclock will be set), and some of them are the result of the past few weeks. Initially will reset all voltage values and any performance related values to “Auto”  again and boot the system.

 

 

Corsairs LPX Vengeance DDR4 2800 MHz Memory Kit at 3088 MHz and a cache speed at 3861 MHz
Corsairs LPX Vengeance DDR4 2800 MHz Memory Kit at 3088 MHz and a cache speed at 3861 MHz

 

Not that surprising but defaults deliver

And find myself happy with it. Now where the Vcore is back to normal and due to the absence of prime95 the temperatures during stress tests are lovely ( the funny thing here is, they never were bad, just prime95 made appear everything worse ). And more important the Kraken X60 stock fans do not  have to go crazy anymore. Win-Win situation for me and the computer parts. Maybe i can get back to my Corsairs purple fans? When i run prime95 now with these settings, the system instantly goes down, but on the other hand i can normally use it. Can run any (non-prime95)benchmark, can render videos etc, can play any game … etc. somethign weird is burrowed in prime95.

 

Aida64 Benchmark

The Aida64 Report has been uploaded to let you guys and girls see some graphs. If that’s not enough, i would like you to visit the SiSoftware Sandra Result / Ranking Page. No graphs but benchmaaaarks. SiSoftware Link 2

 

Cinebench Results

 

cinebench3 cinebench2

 

Temperature peak during tests 69 °C

the temperatures are very good in my opinion and the Kraken fans aren’t even close to the speed they were running when i used prime95 in previous overclocking attempts and tests.

 

Temperature results after Cinebench and Aida64 test runs
Temperature results after Cinebench and Aida64 test runs

 

 

Since all changes i made in the BIOS during the overclocking-journey are no longer necessary, it remains pretty much basic. Just for you, the…

Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS settings, i currently, 28. September 2014, run my system with.

.. meanwhile will run another SiSoftware Sandra Overall Bench.

 

Asus x99 BIOS - Startscreen
Asus x99 BIOS – Startscreen

 

Asus x99 BIOS - Main Page
Asus x99 BIOS – Main Page

 

Asus x99 BIOS - AI Tweak Pages
Asus x99 BIOS – AI Tweak Pages – The Voltage update (1.29) doesn’t show up here.

 

Asus x99 BIOS - DIGI Pages
Asus x99 BIOS – DIGI Pages

 

Asus x99 - Internal CPU Power Management Page
Asus x99 BIOS – Internal CPU Power Management Page

 

Asus x99 BIOS - CPU Power Management Configuration
Asus x99 BIOS – CPU Power Management Configuration

 

 

 

SiSoftware Sandra Lite i7-5930K benchmark

Overclock with no bluescreen is no serious overclock

Now, 2 weeks after purchasing this new RIG i went a step forward and decided to consult SiSoftware Sandra Lite to get some more details and i7-5930K benchmark. After playing with it in the first 1-2 hours i got the 5th bluescreen during the overclocking evolution period, which may hopefully end today. I received my 5th bluescreen during SiSoftware Sandra tests/Benchmarks. You may have a look at the Hardware / Computer section for upcoming posts and updates.

 

Quick Overview of the System (or have a quick look at previous posts):

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste)
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

History settings

History settings (i will skip experiments that weren’t tested in longterm view, for example playing with Vcore for the CPU or when i switched back to basic settings when trying to figure things out/ bluescreens) from oldest -> to newest Setting(s):

 

CPU i7-5930K (including Turbo)in GHz: Corsair LPX DDR4 RAM in MHz: Asus x99 Deluxe Baseclock in MHz:
3,7 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 2166 @ base values, unknown voltage (release BIOS 0505) 100 @ base (BIOS 0505)
4,1 @ 1,23 V (release BIOS to BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.35 V (release BIOS + BIOS 0701, XMP Profiles values didn’t work) 100 (BIOS 0505 – 0701)
4,2 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0701 + BIOS 0801) 2800 @ 1.2 V (BIOS 0701 + 0801, XMP values started to work with 0801, 0701 was still unstable) 127,5 (BIOS 0801)
4,25 @ 1,25 V (BIOS 0801) – current 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) – current 125 (BIOS 0801) – current
4,375 @ 1,265 V (BIOS 0801) 3000 @ 1.35 V (BIOS 0801) 125 (BIOS 0801)
4,425 + 4,5 @ 1,276 V (BIOS 0904) 3088 @ 1.35 V 128,7 (BIOS 0904)

These current settings values (antepenultimate row) are valid until 26. September 2014 – for further information please read this post (most recent at this moment) or  this one. The penultimate row in the table are values tested after publishing this post. Final or most recent settings you can find in the most recent link above. Some values were tested on different BIOS versions, some were stable some were not. The table doesn’t show all these combinations. In all cases you can say, that the newer setting also did run at BIOS version 1 behind. For example 4.5 GHz was also tested on 0801.

 

The i7-5930K benchmark

Update 28. September 2014: Unfortunately i didn't write down the PW for SiSoftware Ranker. The links now point to the new account.

With a baseclock slightly decreased from 127.5 to 125 MHz and RAM voltage, now again, at 1.35 V – but this time with 3000 MHz clockspeed – i hope to get closer to a smooth running System. Check it out directly: SiSoftware Sandra Ranking Page of tatoismus.net >>

This one has a better overview: Another Ranking Page of SiSoftware

After these little changes were made, all tests did pass with no further problems. The screenshots show the rank from 15. Sept. to 16. Sept 2014. Ranked #123. (Just 8 hours later im ranked #326 🙂 they’re all cheating)

 

i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker
i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker

 

i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker
i7-5930K benchmark SiSoftware Ranker

 

Cooling the i7-5930K

Additionally i installed a 120mm fan in the rear of the case just to get the warm air a little bit faster out. When i was facing 90 °C and more in the past at full load with the 127.5 baseclock setup, i now still reach 90 °C and more but it takes a tiny bit longer to get there 😉

Just to make sure: temperature was never the issue, i was always monitoring temps when i did any sort/kind of benchmarks. During benchmarks the CPU cores sure get to their limits but never on a timeperiod long enough cause any heatdamage or impact results or cause bluescreens. Well, i talk about SiSoftware Sandra. — Armed with prime95, things become different.

 

Sorry Sandra

Few words about Sandra SiSoftware. I hate it. Or lets say it was frustrating me in the beginning. Its okay for a wide range of tests, but i will never use it again i think, untill my computer produces another bluescreen.

 

Uploading the i7-5930K benchmark with a certain user name to SiSoftware Ranker
Uploading the i7-5930K benchmark with a certain user name to SiSoftware Ranker

 

I can haz user account?

You have to run it as admin. I mean you have to login as admin. “Run as Admin” isn’t enough. And then you can/are able connect to “Local Computer”. Don’t ask how you can upload results to their Ranking-Website using a specific username. I managed it but it hurts explaining it. In the end it is simple but i expect things do work different. You don’t register or create an account in a way you would expect. You simple put a name and email address and password in the fields and fires return key until a picked account name is being accepted. Not talking about the bad named and bad placed module “Top Results”. Who expects that you enter your account information in here? And why locate it in Benchmarks? And you should really not use their FAQ or you will find yourself smashing your head on the desk.

 

ram3000

 

Recognize my RAM correctly pls

By the way: SiSoftware Sandra doesn’t know that my RAM is running at 3000 MHz. It always says for whatever reason “2133 MHz”. You have to look at DRAM Frequency and multiply it by 2 “DDR = Double Data Rate”. Seems that Sandra is only reading some vendor model strings and thats it.

 

bahuett

Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS 0801 for Asus x99 Deluxe

Almost a week now since i purchased all the good new parts for my new computer. A few days now playing with overclocking (OC) parameters. Yesterday my computer froze two times and i had to start figuring things out again. You may know from my previous post, that i had to run the DDR4 RAM Corsair Vengeance LPX 2800 MHz at 1.35 V because i was experiencing issues and that the CPU i7-5930K was clocked at 4.1 GHz which was fine so far. The root cause for the system hangs is unknown yet. Could’ve been either CPU or RAM. The baseclock hadn’t been touched since today in the morning.

 

Sorry guys, i’m not going to show you lots of graphs of games and benchmarks.
But i can offer a link to SiSoftware Sandra results.
Little update 26. September: 4.5 GHz achieved. Video clip soon. Scroll down for more information.

 

Well, the first things i tend to do was adjusting DRAM voltage and set CPU back to its basic settings. That worked so far with little throwbacks – if i remember correctly – but even than that i decided to check Asus webpage for new BIOSes for the Asus x99 Deluxe and there it is.

X99-DELUXE BIOS 0801 

 

Seen, downloaded, installed.

And suddenly the XMP profiles did work pretty well with my DDR4 RAM. But there was a downside. The baseclock got raised to 127.5 MHz and the CPU received a slight voltage bonus and runs at 1.250 V now. (In the following picture the CPU runs at 4.2 GHz which was not the fact today in the morning).

 

CPU-Z: i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 1.25 V and 127.5 baseclock
CPU-Z: i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 1.25 V and 127.5 baseclock

 

That’s what was happening last night till today morning. I also made the first steps towards temperature enhancements. But failed. I set the CPU voltage to 1.110 V and hoped it would be enough to run the CPU smoothly and be able too cool it down. Negative Houston. Not stable enough for prime95. The overclock-process continues. When i came home from work today in the night (now) i proceeded the work on this. I configured the XMP profile and made no changes to the CPU voltage but i added 1 step to the ratio, means 4.2 GHz for the CPU.

Remember i donated a watercooling system to my computer. The Kraken X60. The Corsair fans i installed in place of the Kraken fans are not made to handle so much heat – it seems. The temperature hits the 92 ° C  mark. Not good at all.

 

i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 90 ° C
i7-5930K at 4.2 GHz and 90 ° C

 

There is at this moment no way i can enhance the cooling yet if i want to stick to my purple fans. Two fans are covering the radiator and if i would go quadro-fan i had to buy a new case or install the radiator in the fron which in turn would mean good-bye 3.5″ inch harddrives.

I started prime95 right before i started to write this post and it did accompany the hole time. The result now is, that the CPU and RAM seem to work stable but the temperature is really an issue here. I have to point out that the problem with the temperature occurs with the increase of the baseclock. I had no problems yesterday when the baseclock was at 100 MHz.

Now i could:

  • buy another case and install 4 fans on that radiator and leave it installed in the top
  • install 4 fans on that radiator an move it to the front of the case and lose 3.5 inch harddrives
  • remove the purple fans and try the Kraken fans or any other fans which cool better and have to chose between decibels and efficiency and leave it in the top of the case without losing harddrives
  • compare the cooling system to other cooling systems and buy a new one or directly start with a custom water cooling system
  • or  put the baseclock back to 100 and see if i can get it stable without XMP
  • or reset to basic factory default settings … what? who did say that?

 

 

SiSoftware Sandra Benchmarks with Intel i7-5930K

 

Three weeks later and with an Intel i7-5930K at 4.375 GHz i still am juggling with temperatures. Even when running the Kraken X60 at full speeds, the temperature hits 91 °C during the prime95 stress test. I didn’t change anything yet but my first attempt, my first step will  be to install the Kraken fans in place of the Corsairs. Will update this post today once again.

 

cpu-z i7 5930k at 4.375 GHz
CPU-Z: i7-5930k at 4.375 GHz

 

Ok today (26. September 2014) i installed the Kraken fans

which come with the Kraken x60. The results are much better. The fans tho, are noisy as fuck but i can get things straight now. I also managed to weak the i7-5930K at 4.5 GHz with a vcore of 1.390 V. The temperature almost instantly raised to 95°C when running heat-tests with prime95. With the fans at fulls-peed this is really the limit. Just when graphics card would kick in, or something else that generates more heat in the sytem, i’m pretty much fucked. So when you were looking for a review of Kraken X60 and i7-5930K i can tell you that you might achieve those 4.5 GHz with that Kraken X60 water-cooling-set but you will not be happy with it. I will try some other fans in the near future. I spent a lot of time at work to compare fans, their pressure and throughput etc.

 

4.5 GHz achieved

temperatures > 90 °C (with prime95 heat-test  and Kraken fans at 100%). Regarding prime95 and current settings (after publishing this post) please read this post, important!

 

I made a short clip of the system when running at 4.5 GHz to capture the noise too. It was a very important step and lucky me, the right one to get my temperature problems solved and detect what the problem relies on.

Well, since i reached the limit of my current built i will go back to 4.375 GHz where temperatures and water-cooling run smoother. When running a heat-test the temperature does not hit the 90 °C mark and fans are not going crazy.

 

 

5930k_4.375ghz1.29
CPU-Z: i7-5930k at 4.375 GHz [1.290 V]

As soon as the Vcore, preselected by the mainboard, does not lead to a stable system, you are in that performance spectrum of the CPU, where you 1. start to lose Performance/Watt 2. and have to add some extra Volts on the preselected value to make it stable.

It turned out that when i want to run my system at these 4.375 GHz, i add 0.01 – 0.02 extra Volts to it (preselect value 1.27 sometimes 1.28) and will end up with a Vcore of 1.29 . Obviously i did not get the first price in the silicon valley lottery but it could be worse and with only 0.01 extra Volts i’m very close to the stable region of that die. However, the preselected Vcore value at 4.5 GHz was 1.310 Volts. I had to add 0.07 Volts to make it run stable. Hot, but stable. That does also mean that for 1 extra ratio / multiplier i have to add almost three times as much Volts to the preselect value as i have to when running at 4.375 GHz.

 

 

 

I definetly will get some other fans but for now they do their job pretty well. To be continued.

Corsair DDR4, Asus X99 Deluxe, Intel i7-5930K and Kraken X60

i7-5930k, Obsidian 450D, Asus x99 Deluxe, RM1000, Kraken X60, Vengeance LPX DDR4
i7-5930k, Obsidian 450D, Asus x99 Deluxe, RM1000, Kraken X60, Vengeance LPX DDR4

 

LGA2011-v3, DDR4 and x99 Chipset

Today it happened, i went to my main source for parts to get me my new system. You may wonder but it was not my intention to buy only Corsair stuff. It just happened. The next generation RAM DDR4 and one of the newest Intel Haswell-E CPU i7-5930K LGA2011-v3 on an Asus x99 motherboard. It will blow me away. In the end of the post i will make first steps towards overclocking. For the next few weeks i will continue doing so and write new posts here and there.

Update: Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS for Asus x99 Deluxe
Update: SiSoftware Sandra Lite and i7-5930K benchmark
Update: Asus x99 BIOS update – 0904 released with updated microcode!
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe standby mode not working properly
Update: Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 x99 – Problems solved?
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe on its way to the manufacturer
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS Ver. 1305

 

 

Here is the shopping list

 

  • Asus X99 Deluxe (white/black) Motherboard
  • Intel i7-5930K  at 3.5 GHz (will use MX-4 paste) LGA2011-v3
  • Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4, 16 GB, 2800MHz  4-Modules-Memory-Kit
  • Corsair RM1000 Power Supply
  • Kraken X60 Watercooling
  • 4x Corsair 140mm Fans (purple/violet)
  • Corsair Obsidian 450D Case

 

Well i must admit, that i picked the mainboard they had available. I couldn’t wait.

 

Components of my old system which will be taken over

  • 2x OCZ Vertex 2 SSD 60 GB, Sata 2, 300 Gb/s in RAID- 0
  • 1x Optical Disk DVD DL Burner with no Vendor Label
  • 2x Seagate Surveillance 3 TB, Sata 3, 600 Gb/s RAID-1
  • 1x EVGA GTX 770 4GB

 

 

  • OCZ Vertex 2 300 Gb/s
    OCZ Vertex 2, Sata 2, 300 Gb/s

 

 

Assembling this baby

Assembling the components was – come on, it’s a ritual – awesome. I sat in the middle of my living room surrounded by all the blinky, shiny, super cool parts and started to make my way through the components.

I never have used water-cooling. I’m an old guy 😉 and today this will be the premiere of water-cooling – so excited. This first thing i came across was the fact, that the Asus x99 Deluxe (obviously any x99 / 2011-v3 Board) has an already installed backplate for cooling systems. It took a quite amount of time to realize that i do NOT have to use the by Kraken x60 equipped backplate to mount that water-cooler on that CPU. So you just assamble the cooler with the retention ring and spit some thermal paste on the i7-5930K to finally tighten it down. This was quite easy but it took some time to get it. The manual doesn’t tell you alot by words but by graphics. The radiator itself has been placed into the top of the case (while the mainboard was already installed).

Installing PSU, HDD/SSD/Optical did not require special handling. It’s just the cable routing problem you might get into. When plugging in that 24 Pin cable, try to be gentle. If your connector is on the right side, the case may wobble alot here and you tend to break something.

 

 

Teh Chipset

x99-chipset-block-diagram

 

Teh BIOS,

One Step further. The BIOS. I can not provide any pictures here. Find some here.  Just few words.

Asus x99 BIOS - Startscreen
Asus x99 BIOS – Startscreen

Raid? How? On click!

Since i’m using the SSDs of my now old computer (Windows 7) and did not want to make a fresh install, i had to disable and enable some things. The first thing was RAID. My SSDs were previously running in Stripe-RAID and so they will in the new computer. Had no problems here.  Just enabled RAID and thats it. I have to mention that i previously had also an Intel Raid Controller like this Asus x99 is shipped with. When your vendors differ you may have to prepare before changing systems. The next thing i enabled was Legacy boot priority and set to Non-UEFI System or “Other System”.

Disable secure boot? button? option? where? how?

The first thing i disabled was secure boot. But this mainboard has no “disable secure-boot” function or option. I had to delete my personal key or PK (in Key Managment) or whatever it stands for. Then i got “Secure-Boot: disabled” displayed.

Use USB ports next to Flash-Port

When i booted the disks the first time into Windows (remember, i did not make a new, fresh and clean install. Using my old Windows, which has not the drivers yet to support all USB ports), i had no USB devices available. Even not keyboard or mouse. At this moment i was using USB ports on the back of the mainboard. The Asus comes with 10 ports and i was using those on the right. These seem to be part of another chip and are not being recognized by my current Windows installation. Using ports on the left did help (these are located at the top if the mainboard is installed with I/O shield upwards).

So i was able to boot and login to Windows. Installing and Playing with drivers and software for an hour, then i started to clock things up and i went to bed with a base-system. First attempts to overlock i7-5930K failed.

XMP profiles do not work really on 0504 BIOS

All attempts to use XMP clocks result in a systemhang at either Code 53 or 6d (or bd ?). Using the Asus “Mem-OK!” button was sometimes a good help. It can make a cmos reset become unnecessary.

In the end, i manually set DDRAM Freq to 2800 MHz and the DRAM voltage to 1.35 because 1.2 V seem to be too low.

 

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2133 MHz base speed
CPU-Z: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2133 MHz base speed (1086.4 MHz x2)

 

Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
CPU-Z: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz (1402.2 MHz x2)

 

 

According the manual of Asus and according to the website of Corsair these modules should be able to run at 2800 MHz at 1.2 V but my modules don’t or the Asus x99 does not know how. However we talk about incredibly new DDR4 technology standard and a new CPU socket 2011-v3.

By the way: CPU-Z Asus branded version is shipped together with the Asus x99 Deluxe.

The following Read / Write numbers on these DDR4 modules are measured with the ASUS PC Diagnostic tool, also shipped with the mainboard.

Write: 101 GB/s, Read: 47 GB/s

 

 

Readspeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Readspeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Writespeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz
Writespeed of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 at 2800 MHz

 

Playing with ratio – first shy overclock attempts

My CPU ratio is set to 41 at max at a baseclock of 100 MHz (41*100 = 4,1 GHz) and runs stable. I did a 30 minute stress test and was surprised how great the Kraken x60 performs in my case.

 

CPU-Z CPU Tab with i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz
CPU-Z: CPU Tab with i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz

 

The i7-5930K temperature peaks at 62 ° C with 22 ° C  ambient temperature, while the watercooling-fluid hits the 41,6 ° C mark. Considering that the standard fans that come with the Kranken X60 have been replaced by Corsairs purple ones which rotate only at 1440 +- max and that the CPU is overclocked at this moment, it’s a fairly good result.

 

cpu-z i7-5930K at 4.1 GHz
NZXT Kraken x60 and CPU i7-5930K (LGA 2011-v3) at 4.1 GHz

 A month later i wrote a post about Kraken Controls.

 

 

Monitoring and Asus AISuite 3

One negative thing (which in fact isn’t really negative) is that the Asus x99 doesn’t come with a software to monitor temperatures and fan speeds in a way like HW-Monitor does and the tools that come with it are almost useless. All i installed are the drivers, CPU-Z and the Diagnostic tool. I mean, that is not a big of a deal since there are tons of small apps out there which can do the job and you can install ASUS AIsuite3 to get a cool looking tool to monitor the temps and fans but not like HW-Monitor or Open Hardware Monitor. There’s no line-wise monitoring that would enable you to see all values at once in one window in the same time. But did i mention that AISuite3 looks cool?

 

Screenshot: ASUS AISuite 3 that comes with Asus x99 Deluxe
Screenshot: ASUS AISuite 3 that comes with Asus x99 Deluxe

 

 

Update: Another challenge for Corsairs DDR4, i7-5930K and Kraken x60 – new BIOS for Asus x99 Deluxe
Update: SiSoftware Sandra Lite and i7-5930K benchmark
Update: Asus x99 BIOS update – 0904 released with updated microcode!
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe, i7-5930K overclock – don’t use prime95 on Haswell-E and 2011-v3
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe standby mode not working properly
Update: Asus Deluxe BIOS 1004 x99 – Problems solved?
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe on its way to the manufacturer
Update: Asus x99 Deluxe BIOS Ver. 1305

 

DDR4 and 2011-v3! Waiting for Christmas?

How could you expect something else than this. They managed to get it both on market a good amount of time before Christmas. I’m sure that i will put my money into a new rig soon, since i’m experiencing some issues with my new graphics card and am and was already thinking about a new rig since end 2013. The show must go on. BUT, be careful. We are still waiting for PCIe 4.0 !! Possible that if we now spend our money we will soon face our new board becoming old.

 

m.2.ssd
m.2.ssd

One good thing is that apart from DDR4, the new boards also come with SATAe and M.2 slots. You’re not only buying a new socket and RAM technology. You’re paving the way for next generation of data transfer. You will be equipped for the next few years. And unlike the 2011 version, that was release in the end of 2013, you don’t waste space on the die for graphic cores. Plain performance. Plain Mojo. I do want!

 

SATA-Express-connector-early-design-2
SATA express connector

 

Corsair Vengeance pro LPX DDR4
Corsair Vengeance pro LPX DDR4

 

Edit: 02. September 2014

If you take your time to read some articles on the net you will stumble over several issues that might occur with the new DDR4 and the mainboards. In my opinion this is quite normal as it is totally new. I will buy my new rig tomorrow 02. Sept. 2014. Im not scared about the problems that might occur. The hardware list will be added tomorrow when i have a big smile in my face.

 

Good luck -> to the list of parts

 

 

 

 

Home-Server™ with MSI J1900I and debian Linux

This is kind of a review but at the same time it's not. I'm not going to test audio or video right now nor will i benchmark anything down. The MSI J1900I has an onboard Intel® Celeron® Processor J1900 (2M Cache, up to 2.42 GHz, 4 Cores) Chip, which lacks instruction sets compared to other mainboards in this category, but comes with a good clockspeed and low energy consumption.

I decided to get me a new little server running at home. For fun and entertaining myself for sure.

Sorry, i flipped the wrapping of the board. Well here is the hardware list.

 

Components:

  • MSI J1900I Motherboard, Intel® Celeron® J1900 (2M Cache, up to 2.42 GHz), mini-ITX
  • Kingston SDD V300 120 GB
  • be quiet 300 Watts Power Supply
  • Xigmatek Case Nebula, mini-ITX
  • and of course some SO-DIMMs 4 GB in total (Teamgroup)

 

Once assembled i started to install debian with USB sticks and a lot of patience and problems and patience. Why debian? well i made this decision like 17 years ago. It's an old love.

An argument maybe would be that debian appears very clean to me. Some people maybe in turn would say the opposite. However...

Now i have a running system with cpufreqd (this changed), dynamic dns or dyndns, wordpress of course and the independency and freedom that comes with it.

 

Few words about the Xigmatek Nebula Case

I like it. You can take off 3 side panels and everything is easy to access. The bottom has a lot of tiny holes for good airflow. For installing a mini-itx board i can recommend a short screw driver and be patient when you install the power supply. Everything is new and sits tight. The hole case itselfs look pretty clean and "cool". I wish i had the money to get me a stack of them to create a wall. But my internet connection just couldn't make use of them.

If you buy one, be gentle! The panels sit very justified/flush. You may have to use your nails or some plastic stick to get the first panel off. Once you  have the first panel off, its easy. Additionally i bought some purple LED to light the undersurface.

 

 

 

Realtek you Schlitzohr (translate that please for me)

During installation you may  get in trouble with the network drivers. Possible that your kernel is shipped with Realtek 8169 support (grep for r816 in lsmod) and even that a driver is loaded your network is not working properly? Then open your brower and search for "Realtek 8168".

I ended up here and tried some mirrors for the UX drivers and as you can see i got it to work - otherwise you wouldn't see this website.

When compiled and installed using the autorun.sh there still might be a r8169.ko left. Rename it to something that doesn't end with *.ko and run:

update-initramfs -u -k $(uname -r)

otherwise your kernel may keep loading the "old" driver during boot.

root@bahuett:~# lsmod|grep -i r8
r8168                 248409  0

 You didn't even get to that point? Debian is not even booting? What device are you using to deploy debian love on your system?

 

CD/DVD/NetInst?

The painful truth about this system is, that even when you manage it to install the netinstall system or base system using USB sticks you end up with dead network drivers and an USB stick and no way to compile a new driver (when using 1 CD ISO Image only).

So i recommend using an DVD Image to make sure every package that could be useful is available. And please, check the Image you downloaded for corruption/integirity or the files you need are not there or not complete.

For "burning" my USB sticks on Windows i tested some programms and in the end i can recommend this one:

WinSetupFromUSB-1-4 - Click

 

Quiet but not cold?

The MSI J1900i comes with a passive heatsink and the Nebula case has a fan rotating at ~ 1000 rpm. You can't hear it thats what we want - but - under load the CPU can reach up to 60 ° C or 158° F. (Just keep in mind that this CPU comes with a turbo boost mode!) I dont like that but for now i leave it as it is. The first thing i did was to play with cpufreqd and start makeing powersaving modes for my little hamster.

governor "powersave" -- didn't work well for me

... because i want both, saving power when nothing to do and launch rockets when necessary.

At first i tried the governor (you will know what this is, when you start business with cpufreqd) "powersave". The result was that the CPU got throttled the way i wanted but didn't dethrottle the way i wanted. Or there was an "incredible" higher stress required to get this governor switch to the next higher frequency while in powersaving mode. Don't get me wrong, the CPU got clocked smoothly higher and higher but not to fullspeed.

And i had  5 Rules and 5 Profiles to cover the frequencies (9 steps) cpufreq can move in.

Steppings

2.0 GHz (100%) 1.91 GHz (95,5%) 1.83 GHz (91,5%) 1.74 GHz (87%) 1.66 GHz (83%) ->

1.58 GHz (79%) 1.49 GHz (74,5%) 1.41 GHz (70,5%) 1.33 GHz (66,5%)

 (and the turbo-boost frequency 2.4 GHz)

 

However some of the governor parameters in cpufreqd are not available for governor "powersave" thus i changed to governor "ondemand" and am happy with it. Name of the rules do not have to contain the name of the governor in it. And frequencies are allowed to overlap. Also its not necessary to provide exact frequencies. You can use % values instead in your config.

current active rule is being selected by cpufreqd according to it's rule parameters which scores most

root@bahuett:~# cpufreqd-get

Name (#1):      ondemand High
Active on CPU#: 0, 1, 2, 3                       (this line implies which profile is active which in turn gets selected by the rules you create)

Governor:       ondemand
Min freq:       1328000
Max freq:       1328000

Name (#2):      ondemand Med
Governor:       ondemand
Min freq:       1328000
Max freq:       1494000

Name (#3):      ondemand Low1
Governor:       ondemand
Min freq:       1411000
Max freq:       1660000

Name (#4):      ondemand Low2
Governor:       ondemand
Min freq:       1577000
Max freq:       1826000

Name (#5):      ondemand Low3
Governor:       ondemand
Min freq:       1826000
Max freq:       1993000

model name and its official clock speed and the actual speed of each core-#

root@bahuett:~# watch "grep Hz /proc/cpuinfo"

Every 2,0s: grep Hz /proc/cpuinfo             Fri Aug 15 21:08:17 2014

model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
cpu MHz         : 1328.000
model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
cpu MHz         : 1328.000
model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
cpu MHz         : 1328.000
model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU  J1900  @ 1.99GHz
cpu MHz         : 1328.000

 

 

 

 Sensors / Temperatur

Unfortunately ACPI can't find the CPUs temperature or at least not from stock. Just the systems temp can be measured - but - lm-sensors is doing well AND you can use the values in cpufreqd!

lm-sensor output

root@bahuett:~# sensor
sacpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +26.8°C  (crit = +90.0°C)

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Core 0:       +46.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:       +46.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 2:       +48.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 3:       +48.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)

ACPI output

root@bahuett:~# acpi -V
No support for device type: power_supply
No support for device type: power_supply
Thermal 0: ok, 26.8 degrees C
Thermal 0: trip point 0 switches to mode critical at temperature 90.0 degrees C
Thermal 0: trip point 1 switches to mode hot at temperature 85.0 degrees C
Thermal 0: trip point 2 switches to mode passive at temperature 85.0 degrees C
Thermal 0: trip point 3 switches to mode active at temperature 50.0 degrees C
Cooling 0: Processor 0 of 10
Cooling 1: Processor 0 of 10
Cooling 2: Processor 0 of 10
Cooling 3: Processor 0 of 10
Cooling 4: Fan 0 of 1

root@bahuett:~# acpi -t
Thermal 0: ok, 26.8 degrees C

 

The negative side is, that cpufreqd and turbo boost mode seem not to work together. However. Loading the msr module

modprobe msr 

and an additional stresstest discover that cpufreqd is the boss, but when you turn cpufreqd off, the turbo boost is working fine!

You could get cpufreqd working with "turbo" when you adjust the max frequency setting. But in my case i can now stick to msr only. So cpufreqd would just be extra overhead.

 

For plain powersavings i would recommend cpufreqd.  In my case, msr-only is the better choice. Frequency-changes during short stress-tests:

root@bahuett:~# turbostat
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.35   2.00
   0   2.10   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.39   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.33   2.00
   0   2.12   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.33   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.30   2.00
   0   2.29   2.00
   1   2.38   2.00
   2   1.33   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.34   2.00
   0   2.22   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.33   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.34   2.00
   0   2.06   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.33   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.34   2.00
   0   2.06   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.33   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.34   2.00
   0   2.06   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.33   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.34   2.00
   0   2.19   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.33   2.00
   3   1.33   2.00
 CPU   GHz    TSC
 avg   2.36   2.00
   0   2.16   2.00
   1   2.41   2.00
   2   1.42   2.00
   3   1.43   2.00